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By July 22, 2010

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In a move that caught many manga readers off-guard, manga scanlation aggregator site OneManga.com has announced that it will be shutting down as of the end of month, July 31, 2010.

Visitors to One Manga were greeted with a pop-up window that posted this message from "Zabi":

"There is an end to everything, to good things as well."
It pains me to announce that this is the last week of manga reading on One Manga (!!). Manga publishers have recently changed their stance on manga scanlations and made it clear that they no longer approve of it. We have decided to abide by their wishes, and remove all manga content (regardless of licensing status) from the site. The removal of content will happen gradually (so you can at least finish some of the outstanding reading you have), but we expect all content to be gone by early next week (RIP OM July '10).

The message goes on to say that while future plans for One Manga is up in the air, "we have some ideas we would like to try out." It also expresses gratitude to One Manga readers, with the reminder that the One Manga forums will remain live. "Zabi" also encourages readers to "like" them on their new Facebook page.

Needless to say, the One Manga forums lit up with commentors expressing their anger, grief and resignation over the move, generating over 360 posts in less than four hours. Several commentors mentioned that they'll miss how easy One Manga made it for them to read their favorite manga anytime for free. Others railed on the publishers for being "greedy" and not understanding the promotional value that sites like One Manga provide. Still more mentioned that now fans will just have to find other means to read Japanese comics, such as IRC chat or hope that other sites pop up now that One Manga is shutting down.

This move from One Manga is the latest development in an ongoing series of events set off by the recent announcement of a joint U.S. / Japan publishers' coalition against online piracy. Since then, a similar manga scanlation site MangaFox pulled many VIZ Media titles (and later reinstated several). Manga Traders shut down in mid-June. MangaHelpers announced their mid-June shut-down and their plans to create a new legal alternative OpenManga. Other reports have mentioned that Manga Toshokan is also winding down operations.

So what do you think about this recent development in the manga scanlation world? Add your comments below!

Comments

July 22, 2010 at 9:05 am
(1) Ronny says:

NOOOOO! They claim copy right but they dont make it available to everyone. Its so hard to get the manga i wanted to read, especially translated ones! If they want people to stop reading them online then make them available where we can get them easily! AND at reasonable price!

July 22, 2010 at 9:23 am
(2) TBA says:

Seriously, and every forum topic I checked out within the first hour talked self righteously about how readers have been greedy and think they are “entitled” to free manga. I’m sorry, they don’t really license the manga I read. I don’t read already commercialized manga like Naruto or Bleach. What this move does is effectively end the curiosity of a lot people new the the genre. I switched to reading manga mostly because anime equivalents to onemanga were shut down years ago, making it impossible to watch any other mangas then the Naruto.
It’s a shame, but I guess I understand, companies finally caught up to the internet’s growth and will rightfully stake their share, monetizing everything. It’s just sad though, because it makes less people actually use their service than they actually realize. In the US, no one really buys manga randomly off the shelf unless they’ve read so many fan scans that they want to have their own copy. It’s not going to change… look at the American Comic Market. Most fans are above their teens over there. With the Manga market being low quality with less color pages, it’ll be worse.

July 22, 2010 at 10:00 am
(3) fearghoul says:

The delicious tears of butt hurt pirates makes this news all the better.

July 22, 2010 at 10:28 am
(4) LegoRemix says:

I nearly fell out of my couch when I saw the news. I’m more than a bit torn. Yes, the official release should be supported, but still, the problem is that manga/anime is expensive as hell, and not everyone has the money to support the official release. I mean, look at Gundam, if you want to really get into Gundam, and buy all the boxsets and manga volumes, we’re talking about THOUSANDS of dollars. But then again, that is the pirate’s Freudian excuse, “It’s too expensive”, “It’s too hard to get otherwise”, etc etc. But even if it’s freudian, it’s true to at least some extent that if you’re regularly buying more than 5 mangas, with a volume a month, + 1 or more subscriptions, you’re looking a sizeable cut of your paycheck getting eaten away.

So, I’m really liking this OpenManga idea, where you pay via looking at ads, since it gives the official release it’s fair due, and doesn’t bankrupt anyone who wants to follow more than just the Big 3 of Manga. Though, I would even support a solution like Marvel comics (a yearly flat fee for access to all their comics, $30 if I remember), but because there are so many manga publishers splitting the profits would be dicy at best.

I’d even be willing to do those annoying consumer surveys about Tide and other products (not every day, but maybe 2 every week) if it meant I could have a clean conscious and access to manga with breaking the budget.

I’d even suggest some twist on the micropayment system, maybe let’s say for every N number of pages of manga you read you have either pay 50 cents or do some form of survey/other monetary substitute. BTW, the reason I’m really harping on the money substitute options is that anime and manga fans have LOTS of free time as a group (you’d have to read 60 chapters of Wolf Guy Wolfen Crest in a day), and i’m pretty sure that most of us would be willing to give 10 to 30 minutes a week to feed our habit.

But the main point of all my rambling is that there has to be some compromise between giving the creator and publisher their due cut, and letting readers read.

July 22, 2010 at 11:07 am
(5) fairytailmage says:

It makes me sad to think that I probably won’t be able to read manga anymore. There aren’t a lot of mangas available in our country. Those that are for sale are much too expensive and are not available as a series, just some random chapters. I do hope that we’ll be able to read them at OpenManga.

July 22, 2010 at 11:08 am
(6) DC says:

The problem with what the publishers are trying to do here is that there is no easy market alternative to the goods that the public wants to consume. A growing and maybe majority number of consumers (certainly a majority of manga readers) would rather read the stuff online than buy the paper product. Alternatively, even if the consumers preferred the paper product, there is no quick, easy way to get it in the United States. Buying the books online or humping it to your local comix store is not a logical alternative.

The logical thing to do, as many have already said, is to put up a pay site that has everything that onemanga has, and let the owners profit that way. This is the same thing that is being discussed in the newspaper industry, paywall sites. So there’s no need to delay with that — do it now.

July 22, 2010 at 11:11 am
(7) Fan Bot says:

I am most disseminated by hearing this news. How can a site that has supported thousands of pirates finally come to a tragic end. Well I suppose i’ll just have to migrate onto another site and pirate off of that one, knowingly that one day it will soon close as all this one has.

Hopefully anime doesn’t die and still be posted up by fans. For I am also one who wishes to see the ending of many series that have lived and grown up with us for years.

July 22, 2010 at 11:31 am
(8) Tiffany says:

I’m sad to hear that OM (onemanga.com) will be no more. I am all for mangakas to receive the fruits of their labor but, in America there is so much censorship that great works of manga will probably not make it here. OM gave me access to manga that is not available to purchase within a store. If you take away sites like OM, please create a venue where mangakas can sell their art, perhaps independently, in a way that Apple has the app store-but less restrictive. Hopefully, American otaku culture will not deflate but blow up from this! Watch out because anime sites are next :(
#manga #onemanga #om #anime #MANGAreview    

July 22, 2010 at 11:36 am
(9) MikeyDPirate says:

I am guessing that this is OneManga’s respond to the coalition news we heard almost a month ago.

From the looks of it, it seemed that OneManga was trying to stay low and not get attention by not responding to the news of the coalition. Nobody was actually talking about them unlike MangaTraders who became the buzz of talk due to their announcement of OpenManga. Though I am guessing that a representative of the coalition contacted them and told them to shut down or take a lawsuit to the face.

Though this is me just guessing what happen but based on OneManga’s silence about the news and their recent actions then this looks like a possible situation. I would like to say that it is a shame that they are being shut down but I can’t. It was nice knowing them and I hope we get something out of this coalition then sites being shut down.

July 22, 2010 at 11:39 am
(10) aninerd says:

please don’t say other manga site name in this form our others like it so the manga companys at lest take more time to find all of them

July 22, 2010 at 12:01 pm
(11) Calica says:

What is the most ridiculous about reading many of these comments, here and otherwise, is the number of people that are completely ignorant to the free sampling many manga companies already provide for their comics. Viz has stuff like their SigIKKI website and Shonen Sunday, Tokyopop has a lot of free samples…

And just because it’s the first volume or even only the first chapter doesn’t mean it’s an insufficient sample. You can’t read an entire series and call it “sampling.”

July 22, 2010 at 12:01 pm
(12) Manga Therapy says:

With a big threat KOed, when are they going to start implementing a Crunchyroll-type service for manga?

I’ve been reading a lot of comments lately about how fans are like “NOOOOOOOOO!”, “Boycott manga companies”, etc.

I think to myself, “They really don’t understand the business aspects at all. If they worked in the industry, they would understand.”

At the same time, fans and publishers need to come to a mutual agreement. That’s my take on it.

July 22, 2010 at 12:16 pm
(13) Kabul says:

Onemanga is not equal piracy.
Scanlations were tolerated, mostly because of the license issues.
And it opened up a big market and fanbase for mangas.

onemanga always removed mangas if a company didnt wanted them puplished there. And everyone respected that.
Those who didnt, you can call pirates.

Instead of searching for a profitable and maybe better solution together with the steady growing fanbase, they went rampage all of a sudden.
Dont say they couldnt have searched for good solutions all this years, and dont tell me they didnt knew.

Now i really need pirate sites to get my liar games fix.

Nothing against a good pay site. I would use it. But i know the new thing is gonna be crap.

July 22, 2010 at 12:32 pm
(14) anelyna says:

I’m really mad that it’s being shut down because some countries just don’t get any of this manga.
It’s impossible for some people to get it from their bookstore or even get it mailed from another country because they JUST DO NOT POST IT HERE!

I would definitely use a pay site, but it’s still gonna suck because they won’t have the current amount of manga that OM has now.

Some people are really happy – I’m not one of them.

July 22, 2010 at 12:40 pm
(15) omFan says:

It was not a huge surprise that this was going to happen sooner or later it just came sooner than I would have hoped for.
With the global economy collapsing under the weight of inflation among other things all publishing companies are struggling to survive because they refuse to get with the times. anyway I will miss my favorites list, and do not look forward to possibly using irc I haven’t had to use it for 10 years.

July 22, 2010 at 1:03 pm
(16) # # ## ### ##### ######## ############# ##################### says:

This can lead to only one of three possibilities.

One, manga publishing is stepped up in the west, in response to the huge demand created by the gaping hole left from lack of access to the material online.

Two, manga will begin to be accessed online through more dastardly means than an online aggregator website, which occurs even today but will be the defacto method in the future.

Three, manga loses popularity and the buzz that has been going on for many years consistently dies down.

To be honest, all three possibilities seem to be likely in their own ways. I sincerely hope the first possibility comes true. However, the second possibility is the only one I consider to be likely. This will definitely be a very cruel stage for such a wonderful art form to be fought over on.

Publishers and authors, perhaps if you answered the cries of your fans earlier to deliver what they wanted in the respectful manner that you yield to the japanese public, it wouldn’t have come to this.

July 22, 2010 at 1:05 pm
(17) Roa says:

I have to say this has its up and downs. With how the economy has been I can understand why they want to shut down the websites. Though if they look into this even further many of the manga have NOT been translated to English. Do they think that we’re going to buy the manga books when they’re in JAPANESE? I don’t know about you, but I certainly won’t. I might if I’m taking Japanese lesson but that takes a long time to master. Another thing is that some of these companies don’t realize that this a good way to advertise their books. Many of the manga I buy is because I read them online. I guess I have no choice but to spend hours in Borders reading the manga.

July 22, 2010 at 1:27 pm
(18) Sandra says:

Well it’s good to know that manga will so be going out of business.
A ton of people cannot afford the prices of manga these days, and free sites make it easier to get hooked.
I for one would never buy all the manga I’m following.
It’s easier to get so hooked on one you HAVE to buy all the merchandise and books and cosplay.
This is a horrible step for the economy and mangakas alike.

July 22, 2010 at 1:31 pm
(19) lindsey says:

This is really such a horrid start! along the lines of what everyone else has said I believe this is a bad move. I understand that the companies need to make money and that these sites that we all know and lov are not helping in this pursuit but do they really think that they will have such a huge fan base in American if they do this. Most Americans want thing that are easy and this is no different. The most likly thing that will happen is they will loose a huge market of Americans.
The companies need to get together with some of our fav sites and even if they make them a monthly pay site, they should not shut them down. This is also just going to make Pirating worse for the companies, now all the ppl that truly dont want to pay for their art will find other websites of ppl that do crap jobs of translating so that we can get it quicker or even at all. As some ppl here have said there is NO WAY that Americans will be able to get all the Manga here due to american laws and most store that sell manga are not going to release all types of the manga.
The only thing that is going to happen from this is the loss of a huge American fan base!

July 22, 2010 at 1:46 pm
(20) noir says:

to tell you the truth OM is not the best site to me i’ve seen better and ones with more choices. but it was the first site i ever went on and hold’s a lot of manga memories for me:) i will defeinitley miss this site. i may even cry becaues reading is what i do and nothing in the world to me is better then mangas or animations. please is you publishers are care enough to read our words try to come to an understanding your killing a lot of fans here. i will not be able to get the mangas i love for they will not be in my country.

July 22, 2010 at 1:56 pm
(21) Wind10 says:

@noir
i have not found any sites at the moment tat are as good as om, i like om’s features, it lets me find interesting mangas, but there may be some if u know any that has the same and/or better features than om; disappointed at the end of onemanga

July 22, 2010 at 2:02 pm
(22) Anomunus says:

This is a lot like what recording companies pressured Google into doing with YouTube videos using their music. Remember WMG? They either had videos with their music muted or completely removed. This caused an extreme outrage, and guess what the other labels did. They forced Google to create VEVO, which is a terrible website to watch ANY videos due to the ridiculous amount of advertising on it.

I really didn’t want something similar to happen to other websites that hosted, for free, content that was published by those greedy corporations, but seeing as similar things happened to Crunchyroll, a site that legally hosts many anime shows (at least it’s free for use, but now there’s lots of ads there too), I am not too surprised that it’s happening to manga too.

I really wish those stupid corporations weren’t so greedy.

July 22, 2010 at 2:17 pm
(23) Hio says:

Just one thing to say,

YOU PUBLISHER OF STUPID AND GREEDY P*G!!!!!!

July 22, 2010 at 2:19 pm
(24) Tiredofhearingit says:

For the fans that would like to pay for what they read, I hope there’s a viable alternative soon.

For those of you who claim you cant afford to pay – then you can’t have manga. Period. This is not bread or rice. You do not need it to survive. It’s a luxury. You don’t have some inalienable right to manga.

For those of you who say you would use a good pay site but this one will suck – shut up. You’re being a whiner. You haven’t even given anything a chance and what you really are saying is you aren’t willing to pay.

For those of you who say the publishers are evil – I hope you sweat and slave and spend thousands of hours on a thing one day and have someone steal it and say that since they can’t afford it, they shouldn’t have to pay for it.

The publishers did not create licensing laws. They are doing their best. The technology is changing – so fast that new models are obsolete before they can even launch. Give the companies a break and let them TRY before you start bitching.

October 14, 2010 at 11:59 am
(25) CrazyHorse says:

@Tiredofhearingit. because you can’t afford to pay you don’t get anything. ok you can’t pay for food, sorry go off yourself. you don’t have an inalienable right to food. second, generally after free sites go down, paysites that spring up generally do suck. they either don’t have near as much content, or the content they do have isn’t what you are looking for. third, sites like OM and everything, nobody had a problem with them til recently, the publishers are morons. after all i bought all of my manga, which btw is over $750,000 worth of manga, after I read it on OM, i have entire sets in multiple languages, hell I have Naruto in every language they release it in. just to be a collector. yes I can afford to pay for a site, but at the same time, why waste my time on a crap product. after all, I can restart collecting things in a medium where i the items in question have real world use

July 22, 2010 at 2:52 pm
(26) gokudomatic says:

What makes me the most sad about it is the loss of the current database. There are chapters that can’t be found anywhere else because the source disappeared.
Anyway,it’s not the end of this story. If those distributors think they’ll do more profit this way and they put an end to fan scanlation, it means they didn’t learn anything at all in those ten past years.

July 22, 2010 at 3:08 pm
(27) LoveManga2much says:

I don’t think manga scanlation/reading sites should be taken down

perhaps manga scanlations sites should ask the authors if they can scanlate their manga for free, to create a fan base like 1/2 prince

manga reading sites create the fan base. who would buy a completely unknown manga? because I can’t read japanese, and have to travel 3 hours to get to a japanese manga store. I need a manga reading site to keep up with all the new manga

perhaps a manga site should have the first chapter of a licensed series on their site. and it could be advertising.

I don’t mind them taking down licensed manga, but for the fans, it is hard to wait, like you’re on chapter 300, but then the manga is taken down, and you have to wait 2 years for it to catch up. so if they could just keep the first chapter or volume of a manga on their site, and then the scanlation groups keep scanlating just the latest chapters, and then take them down after, that would be great, like mangastream. just let us have the few latest chapters, so the fan base doesn’t die.

the main thing is, I like a lot of manga, but many of them are no name ones, that manga scanlation sites translate, that will never get licensed in english. so I like to read those, and if I like them enough, then I buy them in japanese, even if I can’t read them, just to look at the pictures.

I realize many people would pay to read things online, but I’m not one of them. I like things hard copy, if I pay for it. so I can hold it in my hand, and cherish the book and art or story.

but for others, to address the issue of online chapters, you could charge 5-10 cents per page of manga (because for long chapters or short chapters, it’d be unfair to pay a $1 for 15 pages, while someone else pays $1 for 30 pages) if it was in .zip file or something.

so maybe publishers could work with manga reading sites like one manga (they pretty much already have, with how obedient onemanga is to their wishes) they could keep up the first chapter as a teaser, but make people pay for the licensed volumes. I think it’d be nice, if they could just take down the chapters the publishers release in english, and leave the rest of the chapters there. so then it’d be like, there’s the first chapter, and then nothing until chapter 40, because that’s what they’re up to in the volumes released in the US. so they’d have to buy the stuff in english, but have a chance to see if they like it before buying it.

or if not that, then just the first chapter as a teaser, and then nothing more except the latest chapters from japan that get scanlated for those of us who have already started reading something

I realize people don’t understand the difference a name change makes, but it’s enough to make me not want to buy the manga in english….but I buy it anyway. because I love the manga. …this sentence was pointless.

I think manga is a bit too expensive. $9-10 (9.99) max is what I’d pay for, unless it is larger in size or has a dust cover flap (I don’t know the exact name) like what yen press does for cynical orange. but for regular sized and shaped manga, I think $7-10 is best, not $12.

I get really sad when a manga is dropped. I do wish they’d pick them back up, especially as tokyopop dropped Dragon Voice and Liling Po right before the last volume. I love those series, and it makes me lose a bit of faith. I realize the economy sucks, but I’d still rather they finish the manga rather than dropping it. If only they could just print some copies, it doesn’t even have to be a lot. Because once something is licensed, it stops getting scanlated, if it ever was at all. so I don’t know what happens. If anyone from Tokyopop reads this, will you bring the issue up?

I realize manga is a luxury, but scanlations made it a household commodity that we readers and leechers cannot do without anymore. It’d be like taking someone’s obsession/addiction away, and leaving us with withdrawal symptoms. craving, needing more.

I like (4) LegoRemix’s idea.
I do hope that my voice will be heard and listened to. even if some of this is not possible with licensing and payment issues.

July 22, 2010 at 3:20 pm
(28) lorena says:

i used one manga for 2 years and no other manga sites could accomplise what they did I LOVE ONE MANGA. DAMN YOU WHO EVER SHUT DOWN ONE MANGA

July 22, 2010 at 3:42 pm
(29) LoveManga2much says:

haha, Viz already does what I suggested.
Eh, I knew I loved Viz for a reason. And tokyopop.

July 22, 2010 at 3:59 pm
(30) BruceMcF says:

@fairytailmage – this is not making it impossible to get bootleg anime, it just makes getting bootleg anime harder than the new ad-supported and subscriber-supported legit sites that are being developed.

@Kabul – copyright piracy is getting money from distributing bootleg copies of copyrighted content. That is precisely what OneManga and the other big manga viewing sites are doing …. generating ad revenue from distributing bootleg copies of manga.

@Manga Therapy – they are implementing a Crunchyroll type service for manga as we speak … Bitway, the largest digital distributor of manga in Japan, invested $750,000 in Crunchyroll to establish a legit manga viewing site.

@Hio – why are the publishers greedy when they pay royalties to the creators of the manga, but OneManga, who rips off the work of the mangaka, the work of the scanlators, and in reality the work of their own site volunteers to generate ad revenue to put in their own pocket are NOT greedy? That makes no sense. Both the publishers and OneManga are in it to make money, except the way that the publishers do it helps the mangaka pay the rent and buy their groceries, and the way that OneManga does it is to be a total parasite and keep all the money they generate for themselves.

July 22, 2010 at 4:04 pm
(31) BruceMcF says:

@LoveManga2much: If a site only focused on unlicensed fringe manga, and region blocked countries where the manga happened to be licensed, its likely that the publishers would leave it alone.

After all, they have not announced anything about going after scanlation groups that distribute by torrent or IRC, just the big manga viewing sites that generate over 90% of the bootleg views.

And the main business that OneManga was in was distributing bootlegs of Naruto, OnePiece, FMA, Bleach and the other big name, licensed series.

And its not just “zOMG how can we wait until they are published” … since they also host scans of already translated volumes published in the US.

July 22, 2010 at 4:10 pm
(32) Francois says:

its totally rubbish. the big dogs finally got what they wanted but this will cause uproar(joke, it wont).
but so many fans who rely on these websites for the mangas they read…. many mangas just dont even come out in translated languages, and even so often years later.
the current companies are a joke for there translation they dont even translate exactly to what is written and often edit pieces of manga anyways its utter nonsense, plus people who dotn even get paid to read/scan/clean/translate for these mangas online do it in a few hours and just so they can enjoy the mangas.

July 22, 2010 at 4:31 pm
(33) Sad person says:

but free manga is what i live for :( now i have to wait 3 years before the English translations catch up to the place i am at

July 22, 2010 at 4:43 pm
(34) NOOOOOOOOOOO! says:

I AM IN DESPAIR! (Know where thats from? Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei) A managa I would have never read if it hadn’t been for OM’s surprise me feature. This site has introduced so many new things to me. I feel like a little kid who just found out santa isn’t real. :(

July 22, 2010 at 5:58 pm
(35) Paige says:

I honestly don’t mind buying manga (I do…lol). :\ It’s just that its take SO LONG for them to release new volumes, when there’s already 10 more in Japan already. They’re litterally YEARS and YEARS behind on most manga.
So if they’re shutting down these sites, then they should at least get their act together and quicken their pace. They could also make their own site like OneManga, you know? With newer chapters and what not… I wouldn’t mind paying for it, as long as it were to be a decent price.

July 22, 2010 at 6:14 pm
(36) Manga Therapy says:

Wouldn’t it better if the publishers practiced “reactionary business” years ago so things didn’t have to turn out this way? I actually wrote about this.

http://www.mangatherapy.com/post/846045104/end-of-onemanga

If the manga industry is going to be prosper again, then the most important thing is to win over those fans who have been spoiled by free scanlations. Publishers have to CARE.

I don’t know if publishers care about worldwide fans a lot.

July 22, 2010 at 6:18 pm
(37) Niki says:

Screw those fuck heads! screw them all trying to control every goddamn thing Ha! let me tell you this you stupid manga producers not every bloody ass person has the fucken money to go out and spend on Manga so taking manga sites away is so not cool and so immature! after all who supported onemanga! who subscribed the damn fans! who stuck with everyting! and most importantly who kept your damn manga and feet on the ground when a virus on onemanga was spotted the damn ass fans! so making onemanga shut down is fucken stupid and just shows how greedy people are.

July 22, 2010 at 6:39 pm
(38) P.Flip says:

The people who use these sites are the same people these publishers sell to.

Have they taken stupid pills or something?

Why would you KILL YOUR AUDIENCE to sell a couple more books?

Who exchanges growth of a fanbase for handfull more incidental purchases at the book store?

It’s like these people all went to the “let’s not make money in the future” school of business.

Let’s just get this straight, onemanga alone has done INFINITELY more to create and foster the growth of the manga community. More than all American publishers/importers combined. And considering how incapable American publishers are at promoting their products, closing down their HUGE MAJOR SOURCE OF FREE ADVERTISING THAT HAS SOLD THEM MORE BOOKS THAN ANY OF THEIR OWN EFFORTS is monumentally idiotic.

Basically they’re killing their future for a quick buck right now.

July 22, 2010 at 7:18 pm
(39) Jay says:

An audience that won’t pay is not an audience worth worrying about.

July 22, 2010 at 7:50 pm
(40) Getsu says:

Oh my bejesus. Scan fans’ hate never ceases to amaze…

Thank you Bruce, for trying to inject some sanity into this place, as it will surely be over run with zealous leaps of logic and unfounded flaming against the publishers.

July 22, 2010 at 8:28 pm
(41) cookie-tan says:

@BruceMcF Well even the manga that has been published is hard to get… I mean have you seen a copy of Ayashi no Ceres at the bookstore lately? even if it is an older series .. people should be allowed to read it and Onemanga allowed me to do just that

July 22, 2010 at 8:30 pm
(42) why!!! says:

whats worse is that it takes forever for those publishers to release newer volumes (local bookstores where i live take at least 1 month to restock like two copies of one book), where scanners can release chapters every week.

July 22, 2010 at 8:49 pm
(43) GhostIcon says:

All I have is this to say: I won’t be reading any mangas again anytime soon now (free or paid). I’m sure I’m not the first to feel this way, and I’m definitely not the last.

July 22, 2010 at 9:15 pm
(44) banzai says:

im soo tight no how the hell am i supposed to read manga and keep up wit it how am i supposed to know wat happen ins manga before i die or go to war WTF soo tight noo im never going to kno wat happens ever on manga

July 22, 2010 at 9:18 pm
(45) BRODIN says:

i am deeply hurt that the publishers can b so insesitive to us readers by shutting down onemanga i will never in my entire life will ever buy or read another manga again. and thanks to this little stunt now there promotions for their mangas r gone so hahaha to them. :-(

July 22, 2010 at 10:04 pm
(46) Lilipo says:

this is terrible. i might just have to stop reading manga.

July 22, 2010 at 11:11 pm
(47) axcel says:

you americans are lucky at least you can buy the mangas here the manga i read are impossible to find

July 22, 2010 at 11:34 pm
(48) Heather says:

There’s one small problem with taking all manga off line. Those of us here in the us have noticed that our beloved publishers do not pick up all manga that has been released in Japan and if they do pick it up they many times stop publishing it partway through. I do buy and support Us manga publishers but it pisses me off when they get upset with sites like onemanga for hosting releases many of which the US does not have!

July 23, 2010 at 12:11 am
(49) MFAN says:

It tears me apart that manga sites have to close down. Its almost hard to find old manga to read anymore. You’d have to find it through each series of shounen jump and such. I think this move by manga artist will decline sells in manga instead of increase since people wouldn’t know the manga is good to buy.

July 23, 2010 at 1:15 am
(50) GenoLacan says:

this war will never die, if u want something off the internet for free search you will find it there are many alternatives out there besides OM. Publsihers are just kidding themselves that they cut something like this off for long, I have been reading scanlations for the last 10 years, before it got this big trust me when I say as long as people seed they will always be leechers, even now if you do a quick search you will find about 5 or 10 sites that are currently hosting scanlations. Same shit for everything else that get pirated on the internet it will keep happening media needs to get over itself, even if people pirate, that is a small fraction that is cutting into there cost. the only way to stop pirating is to shut down the free internet and violate all thats holy. Basically if you support publishers and there precious copyright law you support fascism. Publishers you are not inventing a panacea be glad people still want to by your merchandise even when we can get it for free.

July 23, 2010 at 2:03 am
(51) linda says:

I can’t believe what they’re doing. Closing down OneManga? I can’t just live at Boarders where the the quantity of manga there is VERY limited
(and the shelves are very high also!) I’m just 13! I just can’t ask my parents “oh can i have X amount of money to read manga online? yeah, thanks.” The price of manga per book is not agreeing with the economy here in the US ya’know? Those people are going to regret closing down OneManga. Like what MFAN said, sales will decline because people DON’T KNOW WHAT MANGA IS GOOD TO BUY. Think of all the possible future buyers! Oh, and I rant because I want to, and I can. Ugh, my heart hurts…

July 23, 2010 at 2:05 am
(52) Sarutobi says:

At least those guys in US can get mangas in their stores… we here dont have any manga stores or such

July 23, 2010 at 2:12 am
(53) z0mbii says:

I guess I won’t be reading much manga in the future. The publishers in the US churn out manga titles at a pace that would make snails laugh. What titles that are available are either geared towards pre-teens or adults. There’s hardly any room for in between. Then there’s the fact that it takes them so long to put out books, let alone get the entire series out. I don’t want to spend 14 dollars on a manga book that’s going to take me at most 30 minutes to read through only to find out that the publishing date of the next book in the series is either undecided or discontinued. Then there’s the fact that there are SO many mangas that will never ever ever make it to the US market. So what if I didn’t buy the manga scanlation, if I like the scanlations enough online and find out that they’re available over here in a hardcopy, then I’m more likely to buy a hardcopy to reread at home. This just means that instead of wasting my money on hardcopies of mangas I’ve read online because I thought they were amazing, I’ll spend my money on actual novels. Where I’m at I can buy two regular novels for the price of one manga book.

July 23, 2010 at 2:20 am
(54) Godly M says:

It had to end time, been one helluva ride, but all good things come to an end.

No point bitching about something you can’t do anything about.

July 23, 2010 at 2:21 am
(55) Somedood says:

Man, this really sucks. I mean sucks terribly. Now I’m going to have to do a google search to find a site to read my damn manga. damn.

July 23, 2010 at 4:21 am
(56) Seriously Annoyed says:

I am SO angry! there is NO site like OneManga. Its the best site out there! Now i have to try and find suitable sites and so far all the ones i’ve found have been horrible!

July 23, 2010 at 4:46 am
(57) jaycee says:

its such a pity that manga-scanlation sites have shut down. They help us to keep an easy and latest in our favorite manga’s. Onemanga is top one of my favorite sites and it pains me the decision of it shutting it down. T.T

i rally do love manga’s but MOST of the time, the published works are hard to find and far later to be out and in some instancs you cant find them.

I really hope they reconsider the decision on manga-scantalations. please.

July 23, 2010 at 4:50 am
(58) chui says:

that’s bullshit…. everyone loves manga so much…

July 23, 2010 at 5:04 am
(59) jupitergal says:

I understand that the Japanese publishers are trying to save their own business, but in my opinion, I feel as though this will slowly harm THEIR economy sooner or later.
I remember that couple of years ago before all these sites were active, most of the mangas on the bookstore only limited to the authentic graphic novels. In fact, I believe that the slow business of manga industry in America reached their peak as people used internets to try new mangas they would otherwise never open. With the interest building up, the manga publishers will quickly adapt the mangas that are getting attention to make books, animes, and merchandises that will turn into real cash profits.
It is not a lie when I say that the mangas that achieved their high fame these days are usually those that people got interested by sampling on the mangas first before getting into them seriously.
To prove my point, today, I see the increase sizes of mangas in bookstores, shops, and in places where I have never even thought of before.
However, with all the sites slowly closing on to their end, I believe that the popularity of mangas will rapidly decrease. I mean, who will buy a $10 dollar book without any interest in them first?
I believe that the Japanese manga industry will be impacted sooner or later with their decisions. I will not be surprised if they even regret their decisions.

July 23, 2010 at 6:26 am
(60) Dammit says:

I can kinda understand why publishers wouldn’t want their manga translated and on the web because it wasn’t licensed by them, nor do they gain money. I still think this sucks balls since i live in HK where we do get anime and manga but pretty damn late, and they’re usually in chinese, i don’t even understand chinese although im chinese, so this sucks really hard for me.

July 23, 2010 at 6:44 am
(61) Cant Read Kanji=( says:

such sad news. oh well, life sux then u get taxed…lol

i buy manga and do spend quite a bit since it encourages my kids to read. i too read what i purchase for them and also follow these titles online. aside from the few titles that i own for my kids (some the whole set). this move might actually cut my purchases drastically. not as a boycott move mind you, but i will not purchase crap. so if i dont know what its about or the gist of whats going on when i go to the book store with my kids. im not buying it for them. i dont want to end up pissed at my kids if they drop it after the first chapter and not finish it coz its contents were crap. but hey the cover was good.

i find it akin to watching movies at the theater. i get pissed after spending $70 and watching hyped up crap. i feel the theater and movie company should instead pay me money to waste 2hrs of my life. sorry for trailing off…lol another sore subject.

well back to one manga:
the majority of the titles i have purchased for my kids are ones that i have already read online. i already know the content and can gauge whether they will even pass the first chapter. though expensive to buy each of my kids their books every month. atleast i know they will read it. once these titles are over. i will probably cease these purchases since i dont wanna by any crap from a variety of crap that trickles here. all the ones i do want to purchase arent sold here and probably will not reach my shores, let alone in english.

if there are representatives of any of these publishers reading this. i understand the hardships and dedication that is put into some of these titles. i find them mesmerising when i read them. but please also understand that we too also work hard for our money and try to spend it wisely. 4 titles a month at 10 apop. sometimes new titles to pique my kids interest, titles that i have read online. i think thats a pretty penny and adds up. i dont know about everyone else but i think i contribute to the publishing comapnies. i pay my dues. thats just for my kids! the ones i really want are probably still in kanji, and if it wasnt for sites like OM i would not have new titles for my kids.
i hope you take note for i am sure i am probably not the only parent on my shores that does this.

sorry for the long 2cents i put in. sorry for any gramatical errors. and sorry if this long babble made no sense. its been a long day, im tired, and after reading about OM. sad and disappointed….

July 23, 2010 at 9:12 am
(62) Dizarius says:

They would rather have their assets butchered and watered down overseas by people in suits than to have them viewed by the masses who truely love and appreciate their stuff online. Let alone tossing away a large scale customer outreach system that allows people from around the globe to discover, learn and immerse themselves in what they have to offer- in other words, free advertisement/publicity.

There is absolutely no justification for:
- censorship (if its not for kids then its not 4kids. haha, get it?)
- “Americanized” translations (shinigami=death god≠soul reaper)
- having to wait an additional 6+ months to see the Bankai (@#$%!)

Let people explore and find out what they like and don’t like. Not everyone is interested in the bandwagon selection. And I’m sure many can agree, it’s really quite a pleasant feeling when a title you stuck with early on finally gets recognized.

July 23, 2010 at 9:22 am
(63) Otaku-Girl says:

I would Def. use Open Manga for a monthly fee! I do buy some series of manga now but the trouble is that they take seemingly months to translate to English! (AND they’re like 10 bucks a pop!) If not for One Manga I would’ve never known about this addicting thing known as MANGA!

July 23, 2010 at 9:36 am
(64) shinju says:

i saw the news on a friend’s blog and searched online to see what exactly was happening.

i think many of us take onemanga for granted. hands up those who first read manga online at onemanga! -raises own hand-
i’m angry about the publishers too..but in such a society money making beats appreciating a good story, artwork..

i guess this is a wake up call for all of us manga fans.. that we can’t exactly wait for things to come to us. but how many can speak/write/understand japanese? translations have become extremely important in spreading the wonder that is manga. if publishers insist on closing sites on the internet for publishing works published by them.. it is equivalent to losing half the consumers already.
as someone who gave up manga to concentrate on school (i regret that already) seeing this news really sucks.

i wonder what the mangakas think. do any of them support sites like onemanga? are they for or against sites having content taken down or site just being shut down?
i believe mangakas are spending so much time on their artwork and storyline because they love what they do and want to share it with everyone. if there weren’t sites online publishing mangas with translations(e.g moneymoneyandmoremoney) i don’t think manga will have the great impact it has on many of us today. heck would there be an INTERNATIONAL fanbase? manga would only be something japanese/ japanese speaking people enjoy.

i really hope that the publishers and site owners come to an agreement. manga is something too good to just be confined to hard copies and text in japanese. even if i had to pay a small fee to read manga online i wouldn’t mind for buying manga would cost more/slightlty more no?

despite such a long manga hiatus (almost one year)i will still support it no matter what. i’ve found so many good storylines in manga..

July 23, 2010 at 9:37 am
(65) ¤BaByTa¡Ga¤ says:

Oh cmon.This is just unreasonable.Without manga,We have to wait for season 2 or 3 in animes.And if they do sell manga’s in store.It cost alot more and hard to find nowdays.T.T

July 23, 2010 at 9:55 am
(66) Anonymous says:

Why do the companies even bother. No matter how quickly they catch it, more scanlation sites will pop up and then people will read scanlations again. All they are doing is wasting their own time and money in a futile effort to boost their own profits.

July 23, 2010 at 10:23 am
(67) DarkWater5000 says:

I have not stopped crying since i heard about this yesterday.. what am i going to do from now on?.. my reason to live from one Friday to the next is now gone.. i am deeply saddened.

July 23, 2010 at 10:32 am
(68) Dannielle says:

im 13, you cant do this to a child :(
where am i going to read my vampire knight, i want to finish it. and the rest of them that i have started reading……….now that you have done this NO1 will buy the manga’s and anime’s :L
i hate you for this >:(

July 23, 2010 at 11:46 am
(69) Erica says:

Dannielle, Vampire Knight is in bookstores *right now.* Save your allowance, ask your parent to take you to a local bookstore. You can get the book easily by buying it. (It’s one of the top selling series in America right now, it should be easy to find.)

If you don’t have the money, go to your local library and ask them to InterLibrary Loan it. (Don’t worry if you don’t know what that means – they do.) Maybe the already have it in the collection.

There are a lot of good ways for you to get the series without stealing it.

July 23, 2010 at 11:54 am
(70) BruceMcF says:

@Shinju: “i wonder what the mangakas think. do any of them support sites like onemanga? are they for or against sites having content taken down or site just being shut down?

i believe mangakas are spending so much time on their artwork and storyline because they love what they do and want to share it with everyone. if there weren’t sites online publishing mangas with translations(e.g moneymoneyandmoremoney) i don’t think manga will have the great impact it has on many of us today. heck would there be an INTERNATIONAL fanbase? manga would only be something japanese/ japanese speaking people enjoy.

Last things first … many of these sites were established in the middle of last decade, but they have exploded in the past three years. Meanwhile, many Manga titles were in the top ten of Graphic Novels back in the early part of the decade. So, no, the market was not established by these sites.

Now, in addition to the market, these sites have generated millions more of non-customers who view the material, but non-customers do not help pay the rent or buy groceries.

Its an open question whether mangaka would be happy to see their manga made available at relatively small levels of income provided by ad-supported online viewing, but very few creative artists who make a living off of their art supports the trampling of their copyright privilege to say who can and who cannot make a copy of their work. The copyright privilege is why the publishers have to pay them … if it breaks down completely, the large majority will have to find a different line of work.

As far as “moneymoneyandmoremoney”, the mangaka do not get one red cent of it. Normally the scanlation groups that provide the unauthorized translations do not see one red cent of it. Normally the volunteers at the sites themselves that actually upload and catalog the scanlations do not see one red cent of it. It normally all flows to the company that has established the framework and is selling advertisement on the site. That’s why sites like OneManga are known as para-sites, because they are leeches with 100% of the work done by someone else and 100% of the money going into their own pockets.

July 23, 2010 at 11:56 am
(71) Sandy says:

Its sad but I can’t blame the publishers. People claim that scanlations sites help the publishers because it promotes titles but how does it help if everyone reads the manga online for free and never buys them? Sure we say we’ll buy them when they will come out but it never happens.

I don’t want to have to wait for just two volumes a year but if I have to I will. As long as I can still read them I’m good.

July 23, 2010 at 11:57 am
(72) Dave says:

Erica, the plain truth of the matter is that viewing these comics online isn’t “stealing” anymore than test driving a car at a dealer is.

Unless somebody is actually downloading the pages from the site and saving them to their computer, they are not actually taking anything.

And the publishers are complete morons for doing this. Anybody who has even the slightest idea of what marketing is, would understand that having somebody spread word of your product to tens of thousands of people a month in exchange for the theoretical and immeasurable loss of sales on a couple of books – know that the publishers are getting one hell of a good deal from having these sites around.

Unfortunately the industry is laboring under the naive and misguided notion that “if 40,000 people a month cannot see photographs of comic pages online, then OBVIOUSLY we’re going to sell 40,000 more books a month!” – of course anybody with better than a half functioning brain and decent memory will know that idea is completely off track.

If such nonsense were true, the recording industry should have been SWIMMING in new sales after closing napster down. Guess what? That didn’t happen, and now they’re on a wild goose chase, looking for the dripping faucet that is draining their ocean.

What’s even worse in the case of manga publishers, is that they don’t really advertise their products. Which makes the loss of communities where people can explore and compare hundreds of titles that publishers will never mention anywhere – a giant loss to the publishers themselves.

July 23, 2010 at 12:06 pm
(73) BruceMcF says:

@cookie-tan: I live in a small town embedded in outer suburbia and get around by bike. There used to be one bookstore at the other end of the bus route (“the” bus route), but it closed.

And yet I have access to Ceres, if I want it, in a couple of days, $7.95 new, $2.28 used.

And before someone starts the “what about libraries! what about used bookstores!”, libraries buy books … if the thirteen year olds who want manga go to their libraries, check out the manga that is there, and tell the libraries what series you’d like to see, libraries will buy more than they buy now.

And many readers take the money they get from clearing out the shelves and selling to used bookstores to buy more new books, so even that is not as cut off from generating income for the creators as OneManga is.

July 23, 2010 at 12:11 pm
(74) Bakka says:

Sad but not surprising, the publisher had to go there. But it is a bit unfair to take out the non-licensed mangas.

Wouldn’t that be possible to change OM from an unofficial site into one that work with the publishers. After all the scans are already there and the quality of the translations are better than most of the one I read on paper.

I would definitely be willing to pay $30-$50 a month to have an open access to the scans!

July 23, 2010 at 12:17 pm
(75) Pfc. Evans says:

I am a active duty soldier in the US Army, and I am very sad to see these sites go. I’m a long time fan of manga and would scan the sites for good manga, and once I found one I would go out and search for a site that would sell said manga. I have a feeling this will hurt the manga industry more than help it, but I guess only time will tell.

July 23, 2010 at 12:30 pm
(76) Dave says:

“And before someone starts the “what about libraries! what about used bookstores!”, libraries buy books … ”

Funny thing – unless somebody is running into a book shop or news stand in Japan with a scanner…

Somebody paid for the copy the translators translated.

July 23, 2010 at 12:49 pm
(77) raisa tasnim says:

those greedy american distributers… seriously who the fuck do they think they are? the whole reason people read manga online is because english volumes come out like decades later or aren’t available at all.. -_-

i seriously hope that people boycott purchasing manga in the U.S. so the distributers and publishers get a taste of their medicine.

July 23, 2010 at 1:25 pm
(78) Apple says:

1. OneManga’s clone site, 1000manga, seems to be fully operational with no plans to shut down. Is this another decoy move?

2. Manga Traders is still up and fully operational.

July 23, 2010 at 1:39 pm
(79) Rant and rave says:

Some people on here are stupid. If you like something so much and its out buy it. Manga isn’t expensive and anime is no where near expensive as it used to be a few years ago. And I know some people cant afford it but if you really like the series wouldn’t you buy it?

I can understand if there series you read isn’t available outside of Japan and it cant be helped if you read them online.

But if you want to read a manga to see what its like then I believe publishers like Viz have a chapter or so from new volumes on their website.

Reading manga online IS stealing and you ignorant to think otherwise.

At the end of the day if there’s a manga you say you like and you have the money buy it otherwise I don’t see you as a manga fan. See you can do more then read scans on the internet you can also order manga on here…

July 23, 2010 at 1:57 pm
(80) BruceMcF says:

Whether or not reading the manga online is stealing, piracy, copyright infringement itself, or only aiding and abetting stealing / piracy / copyright infringement … it was not the readers who got the Cease and Desist letters.

It was OneManga and the thirty other bootleg manga viewing sites, and there is no doubt that they are pirates, generating ad revenue from the work of others.

So setting to one side people getting defensive about their own actions, there is no substantial defense for the actions of OneManga.

Dave says: ““And before someone starts the “what about libraries! what about used bookstores!”, libraries buy books … ”

Funny thing – unless somebody is running into a book shop or news stand in Japan with a scanner…

Somebody paid for the copy the translators translated.

Yes, somebody in Japan scanned the original work to pirate it. One sale with thousands or millions of views. Then a scanlation group downloaded the Japanese scan from the Japanese pirate site, and did the translation and produced the scanlation. Zero additional sales for thousands of additional views. Then the unpaid volunteer at OneManga downloaded it and uploaded it OneManga … for a popular title, millions of additional views for no additional sales.

Indeed, if a title becomes very popular at a library, they order and pay for additional copies to put more on the stacks. The para-sites just serve another digital copy, collecting ad revenue from the page hit but paying nothing at all that goes toward royalties to the original artists.

July 23, 2010 at 2:06 pm
(81) Dave says:

People who think reading online is stealing don’t know what the definition of stealing is.

Which makes the comment about ignorance amusingly ironic. I would say look up the definition online, but you may feel more comfortable going out and buying a dictionary.

While scanning the pages, or hosting them online may violate the exclusive rights of the copyright holders – simply viewing them doesn’t.

Reading the pages online is not stealing.

July 23, 2010 at 3:01 pm
(82) Dave says:

Bruce, many libraries see as many, or more visitors per month than onemanga does (the busiest library in the U.S. actually sees more than twice as many visitors per month than onemanga does). So the numbers are kind of moot, it really doesn’t matter if the library gets a bazillion views from one copy of the book, because that’s not the issue.

The only fundamental difference between a library and a scanslation site is that the library does not make its own copy of the book for visitors to read. And that is it. Unauthorized reproduction. Literally speaking this isn’t actually stealing either, but you know, semantics semantics, who cares really, the point is it is a violation of the copyright holders rights.

The bigger problem is that the publishers have failed to meet a demand by the market, thus causing these sites to come into existence. Why do most people use onemanga? Because they’re cheapskates? Nooooo. It’s because it is convenient and it is updated weekly.

What but their own incompetence is stopping publishers from setting up their own weekly updated comic site? If they know that they can draw 40,000 people a month to their site, why aren’t they? It is absolutely mind boggling mismanagement of their properties that they are not taking such an idea and running with it.

Yeah I can read a ten year old issue of Naruto on viz’s shonenjump site. But who cares? THAT is Viz’s competition to a weekly updated comics website. And it is sad, sorry, pitiful thing.

July 23, 2010 at 3:30 pm
(83) Life says:

@BruceMcF

I don’t think you quite understand how OneManga operated. If scanlation groups did not want their scans hosted on OM then OM would not host their scans (Binktopic is an example of this). So it isn’t stealing from the scanlation groups when the groups themselves were okay with letting OM host their work and even submitting the work to be uploaded themselves.

Okay, and here is where things get REALLY interesting. If you know how OM operated up until recently many English publishers were ALLOWING OM to host their series. This is why Zabi said in his message that the publishers “reversed” their stance on scanlations. If a publisher did not want their works hosted on OM then all they had to do was ask OM to not host their series anymore. Dark Horse, Dr Master, CMX, and ADV are examples of this. And just a few months ago Yen Press also requested that OM remove their content, and you know what? OM always removed all their series.

And a better example of this is Tokyopop. Several years ago they asked OM to not host their series anymore and OM complied with their wishes and removed all their series from their site. Then about a year later all of a sudden OM was allowed to host their series again and reuploaded the scans. Obviously Tokyopop reversed their stance.

It doesn’t take a genius to figure out why the English publishers and Japanese publishers are suddenly banning together to rid the internet of sites like OM. It is because before the recession the publishers sales were constantly going up and as long are profits are increasing they were in no hurry to remove the sites. Then when the recession hit and they saw their sales take a nasty dive they suddenly had the motivation to ban together and form a coalition against the hosting sites to try and reclaim any profits they could.

But you know, I am actually okay with them wanting to remove sites like OM (though I admit I am sad to see it go as it was what introduced me to manga), but if they are going to remove them then they have to have a viable alternative to where all these displaced readers can get their manga fix. People don’t want to wait months for the popular series they are following to catch up to the chapters in Japan, and they also want to be able to read all their series conveniently in one place. The publishers just aren’t meeting this want. Maybe this OpenManga venture will be the solution for online reading, but unless the publishers offer quicker releases that are easy to find (this could even be a pay site) they are going to continue to take a backseat to scanlation sites in the online distribution market.

Man, I typed way too much…

July 23, 2010 at 4:09 pm
(84) Katie says:

These comments are pretty amusing. I admit reading scanlations, though generally I download them. And I buy a lot of manga based upon what I download. I even downloaded an app on Android and used it to access onemanga to read Violinist of Hamelin because I was always curious about it but didn’t want to find and download it. Onemanga serves the lazy and cheap (and sometimes I’m both).

But I’m honest enough to see that onemanga and sites like it have damaged the manga market. They make it too easy to read for free. When I go to buy manga I have a limited budget like everyone else. And if I have to choose between a series that I can read for free online, and an incompletely / not scanlated series that I have to buy to read it, I will almost always go with the series for which I can’t get all the scanlations. Unless it’s one I can’t live without. And if the rest of you who read scanlations are honest, you’ll admit you do the same.

Which is why onemanga and sites like it have been destroying the manga industry. They make it too easy for people to lower the priority of spending their entertainment dollars on manga. So when these sites are shut down, people inclined to spend on manga will probably spend more, and those who don’t and are too lazy to work at hunting down scanlations will go go back to watching TV and reading facebook.

July 23, 2010 at 4:30 pm
(85) BruceMcF says:

@Life

Yes, Vertical Ed described the process of “reversing” their stance in a recent podcast at AnimeNewsNetwork. Vertical had a title that was seeing volume on volume sales growth – where a series that maintains sales volume to volume is already beating the trend.

Then one volume they saw a more than 20% drop in sales. They investigated, and found out that a scanlation had hit “a big manga viewer site” … OneManga. They negotiated, and were able to get the titles removed.

So that is the “approval” process you described: not objecting yet. And the “all they had to do was request” … no, it took a process of negotiation before OneManga agreed to take them down.

So as far as your assumption that putting a title back up after it was taken down was approval from the publisher … that comes from your assumption that the original uploads were approved by the publishers. There is no direct evidence that any publisher ever approved any uploads to OneManga, and direct evidence that OneManga uploaded without approval.

So your description of the process appears to be the kind of myth that normally develops to rationalize people’s behavior.

July 23, 2010 at 4:37 pm
(86) BruceMcF says:

It doesn’t take a genius to figure out why the English publishers and Japanese publishers are suddenly banning together to rid the internet of sites like OM. It is because before the recession the publishers sales were constantly going up and as long are profits are increasing they were in no hurry to remove the sites. Then when the recession hit and they saw their sales take a nasty dive they suddenly had the motivation to ban together and form a coalition against the hosting sites to try and reclaim any profits they could.

People have been trying to figure out copyright in the Internet economy for over a decade, and we are still feeling our way … but after all, it took over two hundred years from the invention of movable type before the original copyright laws were developed.

As long as sales were going up, the people who argued, “no, these free views drive sales up” … well, maybe they were right. However, when these sites continued their explosive growth in 2009 and 2010 even as the print market slumped, that proved conclusively that there is no net positive sales impact from the free viewer sites.

Add the accumulating evidence from the impact on sales when specific titles hit one of these big sites, and the fact that OneManga hit the google rankings reaching over 1 in 1,000 internet users and with over one billion hits per month … and they decided they had to do something.

So they’ve got a two part strategy going on. Take down the biggest, most damaging sites (thirty of them, according to their own information), and begin developing competing online distribution – the Bitway venture at Crunchyroll, the DMP venture announced last month, the OpenManga venture, the expansion of Enix’s digital operation. This is, of course, in addition to the publisher’s own sites like SigIKKI from Viz, which are completely overshadowed by the bootleg para-sites.

July 23, 2010 at 5:13 pm
(87) Dave says:

“However, when these sites continued their explosive growth in 2009 and 2010 even as the print market slumped, that proved conclusively that there is no net positive sales impact from the free viewer sites.”

That doesn’t really prove anything conclusively. Causation and correlation are two different things Bruce.

Unless the fall in sales was just as “explosive” as the rise in popularity of these sites, there’s really no linking them. And even if there was similar correlation in the rise of one and the fall of the other, the connection would pretty tenuous until could prove a definitive link between the two. As of yet nobody has.

I think though, what will be proof enough that there was no serious harm being done is how print sales will not rise appreciably once onemanga is out of the way. Likely sales will probably continue to be slow as the recession continues, even with those infernal sites out of the way.

July 23, 2010 at 5:16 pm
(88) nealous♦♠♥♣ says:

To all those who never appreciated the availability of having onemang.com even though you went there to read SOMETHING, how can you betray the site like that? It is the duty of the citizen to question his or her government. the unflinching support and nurturing of a champion political super power into greatness is the root of the most absolute evil tyrant. you who desert a site that weathered the storm for the sake of many who simply want to read a good story- you have no right to bad mouth this site unless the site has the right to stay open. “oh I’m better than everybody!” Arrogance! and you’re allowed to be! You have as much right to free speech as I do, because your rights end where mine begin, and it works the other way too!

“First they came for the communists,
and I did not speak out because I was not a communist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I did not speak out because I was not a jew

Then they came for the Trade Unionists,
and I did not speak out because I was not a trade Unionist

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me”

——Dietrich Bonhoeffer
( A lutheran Minister, executed by the nazi’s)

July 23, 2010 at 6:30 pm
(89) Life says:

@BruceMcF

I understand that the publishers “requesting” or “negotiating” with hosting sites is them sending a C&D letter, but I still don’t understand why publishers like Dr Master, Dark Horse, ADV, and ect. were able to get their series removed from OM while others like Viz and Del Ray couldn’t. If they wanted their series removed why didn’t they do the same thing as those other publishers?

Also I don’t think publishers would outright say to OM “sure, you can host our series for free”, that wouldn’t make any sense. So I don’t think saying that OM had the “approval” of the publishers would be the correct thing to say. During the Tokyopop reversal a few years back when OM reuploaded their series after not hosting any of them for a year, from what I understood basically, or could find out, was that Tokyopop would “look the other way” while OM hosted their series. Which kind of sounds like if OM hosted their series they wouldn’t take immediate action against OM until it was convenient for them. Of course this is just speculation on my part (as I have no inside information an what when on between the two), but I just don’t understand why they would all of a sudden start hosting series from a publisher after having removed them them from their site for over a year.

And I am not going to sit here and say that sites like OM didn’t affect the sales for the publishers. They did. But up until around 2008 when the publishers started to see their sales decline and the traffic to online readers rise do I think the publishers really started to view the affect as a negative. I mean hosting sites do help grow the demand and market for manga (I am someone who was introduced to manga through OM), and could also help publishers decide on which series to license. It’s just these benefits became insignificant when sales started to go down, but I don’t think the sudden loss in sales was mainly because of hosting sites, and that one of the main reason was probably the recession. Since not only did the recession prevent people from buying manga in the quantity they were, but I think it also increased traffic to free hosting sites. I just think that if the recession never occurred then there wouldn’t have been such a drop off in sales.

And I don’t think that each publisher creating their own online reader is going to work. There are just too many different companies, and readers don’t want to have to go one place to read series for one publisher and another place to read series from another. They want all the series they are following in one place and are easy to find. So maybe solutions like what I have heard about Crunchyroll’s newly heavily backed manga reader plan could work, and I would actually give it a better chance than OpenManga. Since so far I haven’t heard about any of the publishers backing OpenManga, and unless they are able to get the major publishers (both Jap and Eng) on board they would only be able to host work by independent artists. Though personally, I think it would have been better if the publishers used OM as a platform to start their own online distribution and try to benefit from the amount of traffic OM was already getting. Though I guess there are a lot of reasons why that wouldn’t have worked.

July 23, 2010 at 6:45 pm
(90) SweetYuya says:

I sincerely hope they can at least come up with a legal way to still allow us to read our favorite manga the same day/week they are released in Japan. That’s something I wouldn’t mind paying for, particularly since when the paperback copies of manga are -finally- available in the US, they have been heavily edited. (because oh lordy, we might be corrupted by partial nudity, excessive violence or curse words)

I will happily pay to have HQ scanlations of my favorite manga available once a week online. Just don’t make me wait forever and a year to get a kiddy-fied version of it in stores.

July 23, 2010 at 9:08 pm
(91) cookie-tan says:

What am i gonna do with the 36 series’ that I’m curetly reading right now? Im addicted. At 13 I fail to see anything more important than manga right now.. I seriously feel like someone close to me has a fatal disease, and that person is slowly crawling to their death.

July 23, 2010 at 9:10 pm
(92) Saddened says:

I both support this shut down of the manga scanlations sites, but I am also saddened by it. I understand that by “pirating” or reading the scanlations online you are ripping the artists/authors off from their hard earned dues. But I use the site to figure out if I actually want to buy a series or not. I still purchase regularly… but not as often because now I know what is worth my money.

When I first got into manga I was literally spending hundreds, even thousands of dollars to buy the volumes, but that it was only the most popular series that were available. Ever since I discovered sites such as One Manga I was able to review the series and determine if it was worth my money to spend on it. It’s WAY to expensive to buy the volumes. I would support the Open sites.

BUT it also introduced me to hundreds of manga that US publishers aren’t releasing. They are to selective with what they want to bring over.

I don’t like the cutsy fluffy bunny big eyed soujo crap. Bring out the more advanced series! Like Wolf Guy – Ookami no Monshou or The Breaker.

July 23, 2010 at 9:17 pm
(93) ANGERED JOZLE says:

I AM OUTRAGED BY THIS SUDDEN TURN OF EVENTS. I HAVE RECENTLY BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO JAPANESE LAWS AND BILLS. IF IT’S BY LAW THEN I GOT NO CHOICE, BUT THE ONLY PROBLEM IS THAT THIS IS NOT IN JAPAN! SINCE WHEN DID THE JAPANESE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THIS IN AMERICA, EUROPE, AND AUSTRALIA. I WANT TO KNOW WHY!!! PERSONALLY I FEEL PUBLISHERS WANT MORE MONEY THAT’S WHY THEY WERE PUSHING FOR THIS!

July 23, 2010 at 9:32 pm
(94) Ian Switaj says:

I, for one, am outraged by the recent cancelation of Onemanga. I could understand if Onemanga was forced to take off liscensed mangas that sell decently well in the US. However, what about series that are not readily available, or even published, in the US or other countries outside of Japan?

Can someone tell me where I can find the latest volumes of “Liar Game,” or “SWOT,” or “Beelzebub”? How am I supposed to follow these series if they are not even available in the US. Another issue concerns the release of chapters. With the acceptions of “Naruto” (to an extent), American publishing companies are unable to keep up with the Japanese releases of chapters and tankobans. For example, I just read the 95th chapter of “Bakuman” on Onemanga, yet the release of the first volume of “Bakuman” is not set to release until August 2010. And while I do plan on purchasing these volumes (because I am a huge fan), how can those who wish to ban Onemanga expect me to wait over two or three years to catch up to where I am at right now, let alone see what happens next.

I do understand the fear of piracy that the internet has caused, but if publishers (particularly in the US) would realize that fans go to sites like Onemanga to read series that are unfamiliar to them to see whether or not they like it, or even follow the releases since the publishing process is slow and tedious. If the series they read are popular and peak an interest in enough fans then said fans will still buy the merchandise and the tankobans.

Let me ask this Viz Media, when are you going to release “Lost+Brain,” “Medaka Box,” and “SWOT” state-side? Didn’t think so.

July 23, 2010 at 10:05 pm
(95) Levi says:

I understand the removal of manga might benefit the publishers, who have worked to earn what they have, but have they even considered the international implications? I come from an area which takes time for any media to reach, meaning that after it is widespread in the US and America, it is some months before I even have a chance of purchasing the manga.

The only reason I ‘leech’ off onemanga is because manga is not freely available in my area. Even if I want to, I still have no way of obtaining manga at the pace which onemanga has supplied. I understand why this move has been taken, but wish that publishers would consider the people who have almost no chance of finding manga to purchase.

July 23, 2010 at 10:11 pm
(96) James says:

Chances are the leeches will still find a way to “leech” viewing of the series they want to view no matter what measures are taken, unless somehow all scanlators decide to make a united front and stop scanlations. Manga aggregates may be dead–I stress “may” because chances are we’ll just see new online scanlation hosters replace the old ones for a never ending cycle of piracy–but the scanlators are hard pressed to disappear completely. At least any time before CURRENT chapters of popular (and hopefully some non popular) series become available regularly as the Japanese release.

I admit that I’m an enormous douche when it comes to reading online manga series and not buying the volumes for all of them later. But I’ve been reading since early in high school and am halfway or so through my time in college. It’s absolutely ridiculous to imagine buying the anime and manga boxsets/collections/volumes whatever for the 400 series to me. So I read what I enjoy and if I really enjoy it, I buy it when I have the money. This is a luxury and I’m not about to stand here and say we leechers deserve free manga which the creators put hard effort into creating, but so long as these outlets that allow us easy and simple access to current series are around, I’m not about to forego them.

I could just as easily “leech” by walking to the bookstore behind my house and read to my heart’s content without actually paying for many volumes, if any at all, IF all the series were available and IF they were open on my schedule. But sites like onemanga are (or maybe soon, were) more convenient. Regardless those who can’t afford to pay will either find some way to get the manga for free, like always, or will not buy because they can’t afford to pay.

I’m sure publishers are under no illusion that they’ll get a mass influx of sales from people who desperately need their “Naruto” fix. Especially since it takes so long (by little fault of the publishers, btw, to those who are going crazy for not having the current releases of popular series, keep in mind to do bound volumes it takes both translation AND print times in addition to shipping and etc. as compared to scans which are available so fast due to leaked material being translated in a day and then slightly cleaned and posted by dozens of speed scan groups) to get the series into shelves nationwide (forget outside the US). They’ll just minimize the damage done by online scanlation aggregates since the small amount of people that would fall between the “will continue leeching because too cheap” and “can’t afford manga anymore, sorry, I’m out” categories might actually buy the series. And they’re also probably hoping for this to hit news sites big enough for some extra publicity.

Of course this is all assuming the companies continue as they have been with the small exception of shutting down a couple dozen sites every now and again. If they actually–somehow– create affordable sites with more frequently updated scanlations of series that are popular and the tons of less popular series that are randomly picked up by scanlation groups everyday available, then we naturally have no (well, less of a) problem.

But I’m guessing it’s either too expensive to license the THOUSANDS of random series that pass through scanlators’ hands (of which scanlators don’t always come back to finish, more often than not they do go south before a series is notable unless it has already started in America or is in a big name magazine in Japan) and keep them constantly updated (because publishers would have to actually pay the cleaners, translators, typesetters and maybe even the scanners for older stuff, and on a regular basis or perhaps in some manageable lump sum, despite popular belief it IS work, though I have only ever seen the work that goes into it and don’t do much myself) or the publishers are too stupid/lazy to realize the possibility. Or maybe I’m too stupid/naive to think this would work.

Personally, I would like to see a way for everyone to get a great cut of the cash- scanlation groups who scanlate the obscure, unheard of and frequently less likely to be licensed series (go down the list of series at onemanga and count the licenses. Even popular series from popular magazines often never get licenses for one reason or another- like one of my favorite “newer” series, “Majin Tantei Nougami Neuro”, which is unlicensed last I checked. There are probably only a few hundred licensed series on Onemanga out of the 1000+ on the site), publishers who work hard to get the series out there and get the creators paid, and the creators themselves, of course. Perhaps publishers could actually go out and find the scanlators, and “recruit” them in a way that’s cost effective.

Maybe provide a website where they can freely host their scanlations and then give them a chunk of ad revenue generated from scans–naturally they would give the creators some too–perhaps do a 60-30-10 split with publishers getting the big cut for their risk, 30 for the creator, and 10 for the scanlator- just 10,000 views a day can add up to ~$1000 with the right audience and ads, even if its CPA (cost-per action) advertising, forget about companies that do media buys for an extended amount of time; who wouldn’t want to walk away with an extra $100 for something they’d be doing for free anyway? Allow readers to pay for extra features (color pages, author volume notes, or printable spreads, maybe) if they can’t make enough money still.

That way everyone is happy- publishers can make enough money for themselves, the author gets even more cash for their property, and scanlators don’t have to turn their hobby into a chore and get paid $6 an hour by the publishers who can’t keep up with newly created series and license everything. It’d be a crowdsourcing network for manga where by the publishers just have to buy the license and talk to people already scanning the series for free.

All in a perfect world, eh? But my main point with this spiel is nothing will really change. Publishers won’t get huge jumps in sales– even if its just because people are just turned off by manga publishers from this move– scanlators won’t stop scanlating, at least if they are on a popular series, and leechers won’t stop leeching or find a way to. Even if they took out all the scanlators etc, I’m sure some tech savvy leechers would just hack into Japanese publishing companies, download the manga there, then send it to “this guy that knows Japanese” and get horribly inaccurate translations to satisfy their thirst for “One Piece”, lol.

July 23, 2010 at 11:11 pm
(97) BruceMcF says:

@Life, no, Vertical Ed was quite clearly talking about a more involved process than sending a C&D letter. And if OneManga took things down immediately on receiving a C&D, they would have taken down all of their VizMedia titles when they first got the C&D letters earlier this month, as MangaFox did (in many cases temporarily, but I would venture to guess that the MangaFox story will continue to unfold as well).

OneManga could afford to negotiate with individual scanlation groups (given the fact that it will encourage other groups to scanlate the same material), and with more marginal titles, as long as it had the big Shonen Jump and Shojo Beat titles. But losing the big Shonen Jump and Shojo Beat titles is losing the core of their revenue base. The other titles are leveraging the audience attracted by pirating those.

@Dave: “That doesn’t really prove anything conclusively. Causation and correlation are two different things Bruce.”

Yes, I know that. The claim that bootleg manga viewing sites promote sales of the industry is a causal claim.

If that causal claim was in fact valid, then as online manga viewership exploded exponentially, there would be a positive impact on sales.

Bootleg manga viewership rose from thousands to millions and page hits from millions to billions in a few years: an actual positive impact would be impossible to hide in such a small, niche industry.

So the theory that has long circulated on the forums of big bootleg manga viewer sites that big manga viewer sites support the industry has been refuted by the “crucial experiment” of bootleg manga viewership exploding in the midst of a global recession and the positive benefit from the bootleg manga viewership failing to show up, with manga experiencing the same trend as most of the rest of the publishing industry, even though under the theory it ought to have bucked the trend.

That leaves two possibility: they have no impact at all, or they have a negative impact. “No impact at all” from millions of viewers per month relative to such a small niche market is prima facie implausible, and given publicly available accounts of observed negative impacts, a negative impact is the most likely of the two.

July 24, 2010 at 12:01 am
(98) Dave says:

“If that causal claim was in fact valid, then as online manga viewership exploded exponentially, there would be a positive impact on sales.”

Well if you bothered to think for even just three seconds about the many other factors that are involved – then you’d have realized this isn’t necessarily going to be the case.

For instance, a 12 year old may be able to get online and read these sites NOW, but they won’t have an amazon account, or a chance to get to a book store to buy a copy like an older person would. Heck even if their parents would drive, them that’s no guarantee they’d get them anything. But if that is the case, they wouldn’t realistically be a potential customer anyway. etc. etc.

When we see sales of manga volumes jump up 40,000 copies a month after onemanga closes, then you’ve got your conclusive proof.

So let’s wait and see ;D

July 24, 2010 at 12:12 am
(99) Ed says:

I am not joking when I say; I am really sad. Editor and publishers are doing something that is going to be bad for everyone.

For us, fans around the world visited Onemanga and other simmilar websites. For fun, maybe most of us didn’t buy the manga, but there were multiple reasons for that. But in exchange, we bought merchandising, video games, DVD’s and all the stuff that the main editor would benefit financially.

For the industry, there is not better way to convince someone that something is good or bad, is if they try for themselves and Onemanga could do that. I change the mind of a lot people, making them read manga and the best, they became fans. That was an example of the power of that site.

Editors can not make money in something people don’t know and those websites that are going to be closed provide that.

July 24, 2010 at 1:39 am
(100) Life says:

@BruceMcF

I just want to comment on one last thing you brought up. I didn’t see Vertical Ed’s podcast, so I don’t know what was said in it, but I just remembered something I forgot when you mentioned Viz again.

The manga Inuyasha, which is licensed by Viz, was removed from OM back in 09 with a notice stating that the publisher asked for it to be removed from OM, and also Takahashi Rumiko’s (the mangaka for Inuyasha) new series Kyoukai no Rinne and old series Urusei Yatsura (both of which are also licensed by Viz) were also removed from OM with the same notice as Inuyasha. So it seems Viz was able to remove series from OM when they asked, but I don’t know why it was only the series by Takahashi Rumiko that were removed. Anyway, reading your last post made me remember this and I wanted to mention it.

July 24, 2010 at 4:41 am
(101) BruceMcF says:

So it seems Viz was able to remove series from OM when they asked, but I don’t know why it was only the series by Takahashi Rumiko that were removed.

Yes, the most lucrative bootlegs stayed up on a site run in order to generate money for the site owners from pirating manga.

On the other hand, they agreed to take down a popular series the year after it finished … when the majority of the advertising revenue from carrying the bootlegs had already been harvested.

So they seem to have been stringing Viz along, making occasional concessions to Viz’s rights though for the most part refusing to respect them.

The question is, why were they so confident that Viz were not going to come in all Disney on them, parachuting lawyers from C5′s if need be? A common assumption has been that small fringe players like Viz cannot pull that kind of operation off. After all, just taking down one is like pulling dandelions without getting their roots … another one (or two or three) just grows up in its place. You have to be able to take down not only the A-list sites, but also the B-list and C-list sites to create a substantial break in the existing bootleg infrastructure. And that means getting the FBI involved, since many of these sites are in China and weight has to be swung in official channels to be successful … which the Disney, Fox, and NFL’s of the world can easily afford, but which a VizMedia almost certainly cannot afford.

Hence the industry consortium, making it possible … and not just the FBI, but also the MoJ. In 2009, OneManga had more ability to survive as defendant in a legal challenge from a single company than individual North American manga publishers had the ability to avoid bankruptcy as plaintiffs. Once the consortium was formed, that was reversed.

July 24, 2010 at 6:03 am
(102) flamingpenguin says:

Well, I’m not much of the internet-business afficionado, but given that onemanga.com is something like the 965th most visited website, with over 4.2 million unique visitors, I am sure they make quite a revenue off of ads. Given this, wouldn’t it be lucrative of the manga companies to demand a royalty fee per publisher instead of completely closing down the website and cutting off fans who do not have as accessible access to mangas than their Japanese constituents? I mean in this way, the manga companies avarice is displayed in their almost thoughtless alacrity to close down so many manga websites that have so many fans. In doing so, they gain a lot of anger across audiences that do not understand Japanese, and do not have the access to mangas. Perhaps if there was a more thought out ulterior motive that the manga companies could take advantage of onemanga instead of completely destroying it, mangas could become more widespread, and a whole new market could have expanded. Oh well. . . By the way, to those who believe that one must gratify a love for something by buying it, you’re completely missing the aesthetic representation of devoting time and appreciating the art that the publishers put into it. It’s the whole avant-garde perspective that takes away the tantamount value between representation and monetary value, and instead become distributed as an intrinsically knowledge based art that allows tolerance and appreciation to flourish. The money, in all respects is gained by the ads because of the massive visitor rate. We’re in liberal times my friends!

July 24, 2010 at 1:00 pm
(103) meyame says:

it’s hard for the younger audience who reads manga to get access to things like this. I mean what adult is going to pay for there kids to read scanlation’s online? I don’t think most people realize YA (Young Adults) are a part of this audience too.Those greedy publishers. Your going to lose alot of people!!!!

July 24, 2010 at 1:36 pm
(104) Sanity says:

You pirates make me laugh. The editors won’t lose any sales because most of you never even bought their products. The ones who did buy their products probably only bought two or three manga, so it’s not much of a loss to publishers.

I know this for a fact because no manga fan with 50+ volumes of manga would stop adding to their collection over something as trivial as a Scanlation site (that made millions of dollars off of ad revenue from you guys, who knew?).

July 24, 2010 at 1:46 pm
(105) BruceMcF says:

@flamingpenguin, who said: “…I am sure they make quite a revenue off of ads. Given this, wouldn’t it be lucrative of the manga companies to demand a royalty fee per publisher instead of completely closing down the website and cutting off fans who do not have as accessible access to mangas than their Japanese constituents?

Of course, an individual manga publisher cannot condone the piracy of all the work of all the other manga publishers that takes place at the site, so the systems that they are setting up right now to do exactly this are all being set up at legit sites, which restrict uploads to the original copyright holders or their assigned agents.

However, I am not sure where people get the impression that the publishers are not moving to establish legit means of accessing manga online. Places like SigIKKI already exist, as linked to in the article, the MangaTraders site that shut down had already been working for a year on establishing a legit alternative in the OpenManga venture (blog entry), Bitway, a Japanese digital distribution joint venture including Toppan, the largest publisher in the world, has invested $750,000 in setting up a manga channel at Crunchyroll, DMP has announced a venture to crowdsource translations of niche market manga to bring 1,000+ legit titles online, and there are more.

Some of these will be pay per download, some will be subscription (the new Yen Plus Online that replaces the print Yen Plus will be a subscription of about $3/month), some will be ad-supported.

July 24, 2010 at 1:54 pm
(106) Dave says:

@ flamingpenguin

The problem is that these publishers are stuck in the dark ages. They could build their own similar sites using titles that they own, and it would be a viable money maker.

But they haven’t. They’re more or less missing out on a golden opportunity handed to them on a silver platter – and they haven’t taken it.

There’s really nothing better to call it than silly.

Heck, if the onemanga pirates really are making money out the wazoo from advertising like Bruce claims they are, then publishers could even maintain such a service free of charge.

Heck The Onion is one of the only profitable “newspapers” running, and it’s offered for free everywhere – and it is in PRINT on PAPER. Not just scanned and posted on a website.

July 24, 2010 at 2:07 pm
(107) Dave says:

I’ve been following sigikki since it launched, and at the time I was excited by the idea.

But now that’s it’s been up a while, it’s apparent that there are two big problems with the site:

1: Updates are irregular
2: Updates are infrequent

The biggest problem is that chapters aren’t released on a fixed schedule. Which is what they need to have happen if they want to build an audience.

It’s something that’s exceptionally simple and important to understand. Couldn’t they? Shouldn’t they? Why didn’t they- arrrrrrggghhh. It’s really not the hard to make something like this work. Why can’t they get it right?

Unless people can count on something going up at a fixed time, people will not RETURN to the site regularly. That is the MAIN reason these scanlation sites became popular in the first place.

July 24, 2010 at 3:38 pm
(108) Thomas says:

I think that the solution to the problem already exsists, all the publishing companies have to do is take over or creat a site like onemanga or manga fox. Then charge a monthly subscription of like $10.00 US dollars or give a discount if the subscriber buys a year long subscription. They could put a additonal surcharge of like $5.00 US dollars on adult, mature, yaoi, and yuri manga with a parental or age limiter device in place to pretect minors. There is already a huge fanbase out there for all genres, it would be benefical for the artists to have a manga site like this because it would cut out all of the middle men who jack the price of manga up the money would go straight to the artists. Also if everyone thinks about it many readers parents would be happy with costs being a bit cheaper, they could monitor the content to a certain extent, and not have to clean up the mountains of books that their children assemble trying to keep up with all their favorith manga.

July 24, 2010 at 3:49 pm
(109) BruceMcF says:

@Dave: “Heck, if the onemanga pirates really are making money out the wazoo from advertising like Bruce claims they are, then publishers could even maintain such a service free of charge.

Bear in mind that the guy on the street corner with hot watches hanging on the inside of his coat can make money selling the watches at below their cost of production, because he never had to pay the cost of production … he only had to pay what was needed to get it from the original thief.

WIth billions of page views, OneManga likely nets hundreds of thousands of dollars per month, which is to say millions per year, but the latest analysis of Bookscan figures I have seen would put total sales of manga in the US at somewhere around 11m volumes in 2009, down from around 17m volumes in 2007.

If 5% of an audience of 4.2m could be converted into the online equivalent of buying a volume per month, and 40% into the online ad-supported equivalent of buying a volume per year, that would be equivalent to 4.2m new volumes sold, which might cover half or more of the drop in the market over the past two years. But generating revenue on the basis of paying the people who do the work is a lot harder business model to hammer out than generating revenue on the basis of just ripping off content.

July 24, 2010 at 4:29 pm
(110) BruceMcF says:

@Dave “Unless the fall in sales was just as “explosive” as the rise in popularity of these sites, there’s really no linking them.

In what market is a loss of sales of about 30% across two years a minor sales slump? In the analysis at Tilting at Windmills, Brian Hibbs estimates that Bookscan sales are roughly 65% of the total, which would mean sales dropping from around 17m volumes in 2007 to around 11m volumes in 2009.

4.2m unique visitors at OneManga alone means that any modest benefit in sales … even an average of one volume per visitor per year … would be a double digit percentage of total sales in the market niche. The impact of that kind of sales boost is not something that is going to go unnnoticed.

July 24, 2010 at 4:57 pm
(111) Dave says:

“Bear in mind that the guy on the street corner with hot watches hanging on the inside of his coat can make money selling the watches at below their cost of production, because he never had to pay the cost of production … he only had to pay what was needed to get it from the original thief.”

And The Onion puts out a printed paper, for free, and stays in the black. They must obviously be stealing content and forging checks to their printers to stay in business. Since there’s no way they could possibly make enough money off of advertising to keep all this stuff in print and give it away for free without stealing something from somebody.

It’s not that it’s impossible to pull off, it’s just that they haven’t even bothered to put in a serious effort.

Like I’ve pointed out before, I can read a ten year old issue of Naruto on Viz’s site. That’s what Viz offers as competition to weekly updated content on scanlation sites. There’s just no comparison. They haven’t been taking it seriously.

Siggikki is a nice thought, but unless they start updating things on a fixed schedule they’re not going to build their audience effectively. People like to know that when X day comes around they can depend on X comic being up. They don’t like to have to check everyday and hope maybe this month X comic will be up saturday like last month, and not wednesday like the month before last.

Successful web comics update on fixed schedules and not willy nilly, it is pretty much the most basic thing you have to get right to keep people coming back.

July 24, 2010 at 6:03 pm
(112) Sora says:

In all honesty, Viz and other companies should have solved this problem years ago before it got huge. Not only that Michael Martens is completely right about the drop in sales. 10 dollars per volume in a recession is not exactly asking people to buy Manga when everyone poor. For every volume bought, that’s about a single hour of pay for a college student gone. Times have change.

Nor are the companies fast enough to meet the demand and supply hoping that the lag time for people to want the next volume is 6-12 months when the series is already way ahead of them. Not only that, the translations aren’t accurate or are there any censorship at all, something that causes loss in translation. This is why it’s so hard to translate books, but if the meaning gets across, then it’s done it’s job. They can easily be solved by binding the book and put a rating like the Video Gaming industry. They do that in Japan and China. The other thing is… There is hardly a global industry. I hear from people all over the world say I can’t find my volume anywhere or even we’re on volume 3 while the US has it on volume 15 and Japan has it on volume 28, and importing is expensive, especially for manga that fit more of a niche group then main stream manga like Naruto and Bleach. Some person on a forum mentioned that he saw a volume on amazon or ebay for 150 dollars. 150 IS RIDICULOUS FOR THEM. The only reason they even found out about manga is through online sites.

The main problem though is the fact that the publishers could have solved this ages ago. They could have hired scanlators part time and through a Manga Admission’s board, put ones with accurate translations up and set blocks to set censorship up in a legitmiate online based library setting. Many old Manga that are licensed have disappear which is very inefficient to those who perhaps picked it up to read buy one, and when they earn enough money to buy the finished series, is no where to be found. The thing is, publishers are looking short term, without realizing that they could have done very well through an online library of Manga, probably because it would have been “costly”. Tell that to the public libraries around the world. It’s in every business, corporation, and governments to think long term. Here’s one good example where the company if we follow the scanlation groups cause less manga to be bought could have fixed this a long time ago by using the internet to their advantage.

I’m not saying scanlations are right, they certainly promote, and spread manga globally, even if it’s illegal in some cases. But in the same case, publishers let this happen. They didn’t deliver quality, quantity and fair purchasing power (aka price comparison between different countries) in a timely manner.

Of course numbers went up when the aggregators removed it, as a monopoly, they only have that place to go too. Because that monopoly is playing around with purchasing power by setting higher prices as well as taking longer, it’s a wonder why that happen in the first place. It’s simple economics on why monopolies don’t work. Some people may ask why it’s a monopoly, despite there being multiple publishing companies. it is because they’re the only one holding the license to that manga. Variety is around the manga world, but yet each company holds a monopoly over each title. And through that they work as a oligarchy with other companies by setting high prices and those who attempt to sell it for cheaper face labor problems because these people will just move to other companies if they get better pay.

It’s admirable that you’re setting up this sort of library now, but at what cost are you putting it, what quality checks do they go through, let alone that it be very difficulty to change licensing laws. Some companies going to complain copyright issue. If the problem is the royalty fee, fix that problem. Promotional problems, set up a website with an online library for reading page limits on each manga a week. Put cheap payment to get buy the limit, set up yearly membership fee initially, then have the cheap payment by pass. You’ll be able to promote different manga series, as well as get advertisers.

I hope this is read… it may be a little disorganize… but the thing I want to put out is that yes there is a problem. That problem was allowed to run freely for years, something that should have been fixed through reform of the industry. You let the problem get huge, the readers are the ones who just jumped in this unsolved problem. Plugging a hole or avoiding the problem isn’t going to solve it. Stop thinking short term publishers and companies, think long term, through creativity and innovation can you solve this problem through several methods together. Keep the population updated through what reforms are being done. Don’t leave us in the dark if something didn’t work such as royalty fees don’t get fixed the first time. There are many bumps in the road, but don’t give up, because a few lost dollars. With every failure, there a chance for victory.

I hope somebody important reads this. Cause, if another problem springs out, I won’t be as sympathetic and suggest giving. No body wants a boy who crys wolf. You have a chance to fix it.

To win someone trust, win it through actions not words.

July 24, 2010 at 8:21 pm
(113) BruceMcF says:

@Sora: “In all honesty, Viz and other companies should have solved this problem years ago before it got huge.

Its easy to say that firms should have spent millions of dollars to prevent these sites from growing to this extent when, first, we have the benefit of hindsight and, two, its not our millions of dollars.

July 24, 2010 at 8:40 pm
(114) Dave says:

They wouldn’t have had to spend millions. They could have just put up their own sites and managed them correctly.

Situation neutralized.

July 24, 2010 at 9:15 pm
(115) Ed says:

@BruceMcF you are right in many ways, but you aren’t watching the whole, you are only paying attention to the industry, the one who make the money. But, without thinking in the one who follow, who promote, who recommend and sometimes who buys you are missing the most important part of the picture, the fan.

I guess you only consider a fan, the one who pays. But, that’s absolutely absurd.

If you think the american industry is the most affected, tell me what they have done for manga and then compare it to a site with Onemanga.
Please, I would like to see good things and bad thing of both.

For me goes this way;
Industry have made big efforts and they try to promote and distribute, but they want a good fee for them.

manga/anime sites;
They have made it popular I wouldn’t be a fan if it wasn’t for sites like those and I consider myself a fan and a most of the fans around the world have known Manga/Anine for places like those.

July 24, 2010 at 10:30 pm
(116) Lee-Kai says:

this is the worse thing i heard in my entire life. u see im 12 and the manga selection in te US is so limited.i mean even if i culd go to borders they wouldnt even have the manga i wanted to read.some popular manga series in japan arnt even known about in the US(like katekyo hitman reborn).and the publishes need to know that in japan each volume of a manga is only about $3,but here in the US each volume is about $10.(which is about 875 yen).publishers need to think about the economy differences in different countries.

July 24, 2010 at 11:05 pm
(117) kn7 says:

Its kinda sad to hear this, but well… what can we do? I read manga when I have nothing else to do, ill have to find something else :S

-1 fan, for every manga I’ve read, sorry but I can’t keep reading anymore if they succeed removing all the sites.

(I feel bad for some authors, because some of the mangas I like the most are know only to a few people, even with the scalation thing going on. After this they will never be even discovered)

July 24, 2010 at 11:36 pm
(118) Dave says:

@ Lee-Kai: katekyo hitman reborn is available in the U.S. as “Reborn!” though it isn’t exactly easy to find. But look on amazon it’s there, I promise, even if your book store doesn’t have it.

But there are other lesser titles like say, Sexy Commando Gaiden that will likely never get an “offishul” translation. Which is one of the sad things about these sites going away. The world will be a lesser place for it, variety is the spice of life, etc. haha

The damage to the community is immeasurable and surely immense, but we wouldn’t want companies to lose profits on products they don’t make.

July 25, 2010 at 8:47 am
(119) Lan says:

I’m an manga addict. When I’m back in my old country, I buy 4-5 volume of licensed manga a week. Since I moved to England, I just cannot afford to do that anymore.
Firstly because the books are too expensive for what it is.
Who pay 6 pounds 99 for a manga book that will only take 30 mins or less to read? I know the paper quality is superb but it’s really not necessary. The copies I have in the UK is printed bigger and thicker but only contained the same amount of stories the one I bought where I came from. It will be much more realistic if the publisher sell cheaper manga book, about a third of what is it now so that young people can afford it.
Because of the prices, subsequently, publisher can only afford to sell limited series that is commercial (they think ) like Bleach, Fruit Basket, Naruto… seriously, tell me, how many of you will willing to buy 40+ volume of Naruto which will cost you 279.6 pounds + ? I know many people would prefer to spend 279.6 pounds on many other things. And nobody, who have a choice, willing to read only one series. Sadly with the manga price now, that’s all they can afford.
I read mangafox and onemanga everyday simply to ease my hunger to read a large variety of manga. 90% manga I read is not available in the local bookstore ? Anyone read manga know that they read a lot of manga, but they will only willing to pay for series that exceptional good, specially at the price it is now.

Unlike traditional books, manga reader don’t read a manga book for 2-3 months. They only need to spend 15 mins to read a manga book but they need to read it everyweek , or every day like in my case.

The manga reader is very young. And they don’t have a lot of money. They can be satisfied with low quality paper print as long as they are ( much much ) cheaper and the translate quality is the same and they are easy to get.

I need to by honest, if I can’t access website like mangafox, onemanga everyday, I will eventually have to decide to give up reading manga because a: I can’t afford it; b: the selection of manga in the market is crappy and c) It’s about time for me to take off.

For conclusion : Manga publisher , your manga books are too expensive with limited range, hard to access.

July 25, 2010 at 11:24 am
(120) Miista MangaFox says:

I’ve always read manga on OneManga, for the last 5 years. It pains my heart knowing that it will be gone; OM was basically apart of my early teenage childhood. RIP OM.

July 25, 2010 at 11:43 am
(121) Annika says:

In germany its even harder to read the newest chapters._. When the manga-guys want to make the readers read manga legally, then they should publish it in germany too >.< I want a manga magazine!!

July 25, 2010 at 11:51 am
(122) James says:

I’m only here to say one thing, since I’ve been seeing what I’m guessing are misconceptions about the revenue Onemanga makes. When people start saying Onemanga nets “hundreds of thousands of dollars per month” I figure I should step in. I may not know everything about business, mind you, but I’m well enough informed about marketing online.

Let’s break down exactly how Onemanga would make money. I don’t know everything about how they advertise, but I’ve seen a fair few of their ads and they seem to work with third tier adservers (google “Google Adsense” if you want to know what a first tier one is–incidentally, they might actually stand a chance at making six figures monthly with Adsense, but with third party advertising platforms that number will decrease significantly).

They seem to serve ads from Mediaplex, for an example of one of these companies if anyone wants to investigate. Now even with their estimated 4 million monthly pageviews, not everyone would click an advertisement (for this example, I’ll assume they get paid money per click of an advertisement– if they are making money through affiliate marketing, then the flood of less targeted traffic would produce maybe a couple dozen sales a month. Maybe). Assuming they’re smart and getting paid per click, they still need clicks. With an audience focused on reading manga, they won’t get that many clicks. Being generous, they may get a 1% clickthrough rate. That’s 40,000 clicks on their ads being extremey generous.

Sounds crazy, but if the traffic isn’t targeted, this is exactly what would happen. For more info on clickthrough rates, check out the wikipedia page (notice, 2% is considered good according to this article) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clickthrough_rate. A niche website that serves ONLY relevant ads to its niche readers would still be lucky to get a 10% CTR (they sacrifice a lot of traffic for the chance at more clicks, so it balances out if you build a buttload of these sites, but I’m not here to educate on internet marketing– Google is your friend if you’re interested).

Anyway, let’s go back to those 40,000 clicks and do some more math. Now with Google Adsense, even if you had a niche specific website (instead of onemanga.com, think <a href="http://costumejewelryforsale.com"Costume Jewelry for Sale, you’d still probably tap out at getting $1 per click on your advertisement. But that money would be split with Google itself for serving the ads, so you’d get maybe 50 something cents. But a third rate ad server, in addition to being less targeted, don’t have as many big businesses willing to pay tons of money to advertise with them, so you naturally don’t get as much. In truth, you’d probably be lucky to get 10 cents a click (I hear even going to Yahoo!‘s advertising network gave a lot of people drastic decreases in earnings across their networks of sites, and Yahoo! is not third rate by any stretch of the imagination). But for this example, since I’ve been overestimating things, let’s say they get $0.25 per click, after Mediaplex or whoever has taken their cut.

40,000 clicks x $0.25 per/click= $10,000 per month

That’s a hugely inflated figure for the reasons mentioned above. Now it could be that they are mixing in other forms of advertising or that some of their advertising is media buys (like that “Bitefight” thing that you see on the side where manga updates are) But chances are they aren’t pulling more than five figures per month from the site.

Even if you knew nothing about internet marketing, though, it’s pretty obvious they couldn’t have been pulling those profits for too long. Otherwise they probably wouldn’t have caved without any actual lawsuits coming to light (that I know of). If you were just being pressured to pull down your six figure business, would you? You MIGHT shut down after crunching some numbers when you got the court papers saying you were being sued, but only if you couldn’t battle it out. Nah, the creators are letting it go because it’s not super profitable (as compared to how much they’d stand to lose).

Also, for those who are interested in a third party break down (however inaccurate), you may want to check out Sitelogr.com’s assessment:
http://www.sitelogr.com/s/onemanga.com. Even assuming they’re figures are right (trust me, they aren’t, they also think my article site is making $5 per day, but it rarely makes anything), if you multiply 2650 by 30, you get around $79500 dollars per month. Still a far cry from the massive figures assumed by some here.

I know the actual figures don’t matter because it’s the principle of the thing (them not doing any work aside from uploading the chapters, detracting from author’s chance to make money, etc) but it is important to note that its unlikely they were getting rich from all this.

July 25, 2010 at 2:22 pm
(123) BruceMcF says:

OK, so $100K+/month is for the commercialized manga piracy industry as a whole rather than just OneManga … the monthly gross revenue to OneManga remains more than annual median US income, and the capitalized value would be about $2m … except for that pesky problem that aggressively promoting blatant copyright piracy has turned out to be a non-sustainable business model

On the one hand is the argument that OneManga is somehow doing it as an act of love for manga fandom, and on the other hand is the argument that manga publishers are simply backward because they haven’t done the same thing OneManga.com has done.

Regarding the first, even if the dollar values were overstated, they are still clearly substantially over the “doing it as an act of love” threshold for an entertainment piracy site.

And regarding the second, this actually reinforces the argument that the reason OneManga can commercialize the manga is because they rely on stolen raws, translation and layout done by others, and material uploaded by volunteers. Their business model is to pocket all of the revenue over hosting costs and let someone else do the work.

July 25, 2010 at 4:31 pm
(124) jimjimthehumanbin says:

Man, what a shame! onemanga was such a great place to find new manga titles. I loved getting a heads up on the issues i have to wait an AGE for to eventually get released here in the UK – and some don’t even make it here.
As mentioned, Manga publishers should have really come up with a good replacement before pulling the plug on sites like http://www.onemanga.com
Alot of us would not mind paying a fair membership price to have a digital issue.
If publishers only want to think about the money then surely selling a digital version in multiple translations direct to the consumer would mean they spend less on printing and associated shipping costs but have an increased customer base and therefore increased revenue – which they can then spend on putting more comics out.
Ah well, everything good comes to an end. A big thank you to all the volunteers who prepped the raws.

July 25, 2010 at 4:39 pm
(125) Dave says:

“And regarding the second, this actually reinforces the argument that the reason OneManga can commercialize the manga is because they rely on stolen raws, translation and layout done by others, and material uploaded by volunteers.”

What about all those thiev’n libraries and museums, ripping off volunteers. ;D Isn’t it really bothersome that enthusiasts and hobbyists sometimes do things they’re interested for free?

“On the one hand is the argument that OneManga is somehow doing it as an act of love for manga fandom, and on the other hand is the argument that manga publishers are simply backward because they haven’t done the same thing OneManga.com has done.”

One of those thoughts has really nothing to do with the other.

Regarding the first part, nobody reading the scans CARES what the motivation behind onemanga is. It really makes no difference. They offer a service that is useful, and so it gets used. Period.

On the second part, it’s really on the same hand actually. The publishers CAN offer something competitive but they don’t. Which is silly.

Is the fact that Viz has licensed the titles from Ikki keeping them from updating the site on a fixed schedule? I would guess it has more to with poor planning than to do with them owning the rights to put it up, or having to pay translators.

They could even run a weekly online service like onemanga and charge a reasonably low subscription fee for a year, and make money out the wazoo, even if they pay their translators, buy the licenses etc. Considering they already have the rights to the most popular titles, it’s pretty stupid they haven’t already gone ahead with an idea like that.

July 25, 2010 at 6:38 pm
(126) Karen says:

u no wat!!! onemanga is what i always think about when im off the computer!!! where else am i supposed to read!!! all the other places suck!!! who was the person who did not approve??? cause whomever he is…he should die in hell!!!

July 25, 2010 at 7:24 pm
(127) BruceMcF says:

@Dave: “What about all those thiev’n libraries and museums, ripping off volunteers. ;D Isn’t it really bothersome that enthusiasts and hobbyists sometimes do things they’re interested for free?

If any of the libraries or museums are getting volunteers to help them steal items for their collection … I’m against that too. I doubt that the practice is as common by libraries and museums as it is by manga viewer para-sites.

On the one hand is the argument that OneManga is somehow doing it as an act of love for manga fandom, and on the other hand is the argument that manga publishers are simply backward because they haven’t done the same thing OneManga.com has done.”

One of those thoughts has really nothing to do with the other.

I’ve seen both used as rationalizations to justify ripping off the creators of the original work.

When we look at Crunchyroll or ANN, we see estimates of income of:
Crunchyroll – $766/day (~$280K/yr)
ANN – $610/day (~$190/yr)

… indicating the importance of the subscription component to both sites (obviously sitelogr’s estimate does not include subscriptions income).

So while OneManga & similar pirate sites demonstrate the need to move into digital distribution, they do not present a business model that can be used directly by a site that is paying royalties back to the creators of the work.

July 25, 2010 at 9:09 pm
(128) Dave says:

“If any of the libraries or museums are getting volunteers to help them steal items for their collection … I’m against that too. I doubt that the practice is as common by libraries and museums as it is by manga viewer para-sites.”

It was your suggestion that onemanga was stealing from translators who translate as hobby, that I was commenting on. Believe it or not, some people do these things for the fun of it.

“When we look at Crunchyroll or ANN, we see estimates of income of:
Crunchyroll – $766/day (~$280K/yr)
ANN – $610/day (~$190/yr)

… indicating the importance of the subscription component to both sites (obviously sitelogr’s estimate does not include subscriptions income).

So while OneManga & similar pirate sites demonstrate the need to move into digital distribution, they do not present a business model that can be used directly by a site that is paying royalties back to the creators of the work.”

If a publisher that already has licensed the work put content online, that content would more or less be ancillary to the printed products. they would need to have the work translated for print anyway, so what they’d really be doing is getting more for their money, while providing a new, distinctly different service from that which is offered through printed products.
And who is to say that couldn’t match the ad revenue of onemanga anyway? If they provided a service comparable to that of onemanga, then they would likely get a comparable numbers of visitors.

July 26, 2010 at 7:08 am
(129) Oli_da.manga.reader says:

If it were available and if i cud afford it…I wudnt mind buying them…problem is they arent available! Some countries have volume mangas but i believe most of the sales occur due to these online sites. Instead of going all nuke on these I think they shud have made a new business model to accommodate readers like us! Its a business after all, they cant have their money stolen (yet its a potential market lost)

July 26, 2010 at 1:00 pm
(130) Satoshi says:

I was glad to hear that foreigners would stop STEALING Japanese contents.ψ( ̄▽ ̄)ψ

Europians and Americans are doing just the same thing as what Chinese do. Coping manga without paying for them.

If they don’t stop scanning manga, we should seriously consider suing every illegal manga sites.

If you want recent manga, buy them through Internet.

July 26, 2010 at 1:20 pm
(131) japanese says:

If you read,you should buy it.
Tt is a simple rule in society.
MANGA is not free.

July 26, 2010 at 2:20 pm
(132) BruceMcF says:

“It was your suggestion that onemanga was stealing from translators who translate as hobby, that I was commenting on.”

I didn’t say they were stealing from translators, though clearly they often rip off the work of translators (rip off would be the more accurate term for copying without permission) … the same bogus “we’ll rip it off and maybe take it down if you complain, and maybe not” system applies to scanlation groups that include a request not to upload to manga viewer sites as to the original manga creators.

Of course, when OneManga would take down a work at a scanlation group’s request, it would just go up on MangaFox, who, as Deb Aoki has documented, typically ignored takedown requests from scanlation groups prior to the start of the current sweep. So scanlation groups that do not want their work on manga viewer sites are in the same “whack a mole” game with manga viewer sites as the publishers.

f a publisher that already has licensed the work put content online, that content would more or less be ancillary to the printed products. they would need to have the work translated for print anyway, so what they’d really be doing is getting more for their money, while providing a new, distinctly different service from that which is offered through printed products.

First, that is not the audience side system that OneManga and sites like it demonstrate: they demonstrate the draw of a system of access to all of the most popular titles plus hundreds to thousands of complementary smaller titles.

To reproduce that system requires licensing for online viewing work that is no licensed for print distribution.

Second, royalties will still have to be paid.

Crunchyroll’s freemium business model is that the ad-streaming covers its own costs, including royalties, primarily functioning as self-funding advertising for the subscription service, and only secondarily acting as a source of income.

A publisher getting into Print on Demand and eBooks to extend beyond the lower threshold of a conventional print run or to allow a smaller initial print run could well use a similar online model to share the up-front costs aside from the print run cost. But that system would not replicate the range of titles available from OneManga, MangaFox, and the other big sites.

July 26, 2010 at 2:55 pm
(133) Dave says:

@ Satoshi “If you want recent manga, buy them through Internet.”

If this were POSSIBLE for people to do. People WOULD DO IT. Which is what I have been saying all along. There is a demand here and it is being IGNORED by the publishers. Relatively speaking, there is no “recent” manga in the U.S. to buy.

@Bruce: If the website requires you to make an account to view material, or to buy a subscription – then figuring out the royalties end of things would not be that hard. They could even figure out away to tack it on to the licensing agreement for printing the works if they bothered to work it out.
And again, they’d still be getting more mileage out of their translation. It’s just silly for them to not have put serious effort into something that would give them a chance at more efficient earnings.

The internet is not going to go away, so they may as well put it to good use for them.

July 26, 2010 at 3:49 pm
(134) =.=" says:

I buy manga.

I want to support mangakas, but there is no copy for me to buy.
I have waited, and waited, and waited..

And I started to lose interest..

Recently, I stumbled upon online mangas!
And BOOM! I’m a manga maniac again!

And so I drop by the bookstore again.
But they didn’t update it!!
And some series has even been dropped!

July 26, 2010 at 5:14 pm
(135) DeidaraBlue says:

OneManga’s detonation makes me a sad panda. I really did like getting the Free Manga that it provided. People probably have touched on this, but I’ll say it again. The Manga Industry in America is mostly a failure being behind as they are. I do not want to wait years and years to get to the point that I am at now in the storyline of the Manga I read. (I mostly read just Naruto and Bleach, glad FMA was finished before all this happened) So, now I’m stuck having to surf the internet for the cavilers of Manga to have some less than legal scanlations.

I’m also a fan of Yaoi, on Spectrum Nexus and I hope that site doesn’t get shut down. So, yeah, I hope things work out with myself and all the Anime/Manga fans out there.

July 26, 2010 at 6:27 pm
(136) Isley says:

If I as a user, were given a choice of viewing mangas illegaly in a pirate site, or paying a suscription of a official site, (having the latest mangas in 1 day or less in English) with Paypal, or directly with credit card, I and a lot of fans would gladly subscribe, just for the sake of the mangakas gaining profit for their work. Its true manga its not bread and you can live without it, But if manga have teached me something its to not give up until you tried everything you can, so I will always search for the mangas I like, preferably the legal way, but if this means I will have to wait 2-3 months for a volume to be brought, You can count on me searching for a pirate site. And also, this is about mangas I already like and follow (32). When I’m seaching for a new manga, of course I would not buy anything just because of the cover, when there are $20 in the gamble.

July 26, 2010 at 8:24 pm
(137) BruceMcF says:

@Dave: “If the website requires you to make an account to view material, or to buy a subscription – then figuring out the royalties end of things would not be that hard. They could even figure out away to tack it on to the licensing agreement for printing the works if they bothered to work it out.

Which is a round about way of saying that the business model of OneManga, MangaFox and friends can not just be adopted by a legit site. There is more work to be done to work out one or more effective business models that are not based on “leech off of the work of the mangaka, hobbyist translators and site volunteers”.

The difficulty for the pure ad-supported model is not figuring out the views to pay royalties on, its tha fact that the per view income is so small … an ad+subscription model allows paying an up-front fee and a per view royalty

July 26, 2010 at 9:38 pm
(138) Dave says:

Bruce you’re just inventing excuses for the companies now. They could, and they should, but they haven’t.

It’s their loss. Literally.

July 26, 2010 at 10:14 pm
(139) Ed says:

@ BruceMcf, I have read all your posts in your blog and you seem to be an interesting person. The investigation against NewsCorp/anime sites was interesting. But, in that moment your focus was fighting an empire. Right now, the story is completely different. All the main publishers don’t have an answer against Onemanga fans. You posted some nice websites that offer manga, but they are not solid. Even if all of them create a website they aren’t half of the Onemanga capacity. So, they took a wrong decision they didn’t even care about people who follow the manga in that website, they didn’t make an approach to the fans. Their only ambition was taking down that website, when that’s not the main problem and when they don’t have a solution.

Your POV that the artist is the most benefit from this movement is not a fact, because you, neither I know what are the benefits a mangaka receives from outside revenues, so that is not a justification for this measure.

July 27, 2010 at 1:29 am
(140) alan says:

@Dave, “There is a demand here and it is being IGNORED by the publishers. ” Wrong. The demand and your love for manga were so small you just failed to convince publishers to bring manga to your country and its YOUR fault.

And your parents, teachers and any other adults were too naive regarding internet to teach morality to you kids.

You should’ve tried again and again to convince publishers until you succeeded instead of whining miserably like babies and lowering yourselves by stealing books.

If you love free stuff, enjoy another hobby that’s free.

July 27, 2010 at 2:51 am
(141) BruceMcF says:

@Ed, “All the main publishers don’t have an answer against Onemanga fans.

What precisely is the question? Onemanga fans were fans of getting free access to bootlegs. Well, a ride like that lasts as long as it lasts, but beggers can’t be choosers.

You posted some nice websites that offer manga, but they are not solid.

Of course they are not solid. New, innovative, ventures are never created completely finished ~ they always start out with limitations and kinks that take time to work out.

But where OneManga has been like a cancer, where the more it grows the more damage it does, these new ventures have the possibility of helping the industry if they grow.

Even if all of them create a website they aren’t half of the Onemanga capacity.

Of course not. OneManga works by ripping off the work of others, so they do not need to get agreement first. Allowing creators their right to say yes or no means that sometimes they will say no. Matt Blind at Rocket Bomber has a full on rant about that.

However, the manga is not being made for rip-off sites, and if the market was replaced entirely by rip-off sites, the market would collapse.

By contrast, the manga is being made for supporting fans and other paying customers. So sites that allow supporting fans to support the creators of the work might be part of a sustainable future for the industry.

No guarantees, of course, because nothing in the future is guaranteed.

Their only ambition was taking down that website, when that’s not the main problem and when they don’t have a solution.

But then you have ignored the point of those sites that I posted. Saying that their only ambition was taking down that website (and the other thirty in their list) is contradicted by the exact evidence you referred to.

Instead, its a two-part strategy of taking down the rip-off artists who are generating revenue by ripping off the work of everybody else, and also launching legit alternatives.

If offering legit alternatives was as easy as making money by ripping people off, everyone would already be doing: its always been harder to build than it is to destroy, and harder to earn a piece of the action than to rip off the hard work of others.

July 27, 2010 at 6:35 am
(142) andre says:

now hwere the heck am i gna get my manga, i’m in south africa and its crap hard to get the stuff here. i hope they dont do the same with anime fansubs….. :(

July 27, 2010 at 9:39 am
(143) Isley says:

Now you’re saying the market should be limited to “supporting fans and other paying customers”. So basically you’re saying the only people with right to enjoy manga is those on Japan or USA. But the fact is that’s there is a lot of people wanting to read manga. And if there’s a demand, there will be people willing to supply. The same happens with the mp3, with the copied movies, and even with windows OS. Great recording companies said the same about mp3 piracy some years ago, and dowloading music is still as easy as googling “download X song”. Want to watch a movie? google its name. Want to read a manga? Google it. This fact won’t change, people who won’t pay for something will never do it.

July 27, 2010 at 11:40 am
(144) Lexie C. says:

I’m just sad because unlicensed works will now be harder for me to read online. I rarely read licensed works on OneManga and the two series I did I own the current releases avail in America as well so I’m still paying my dues to the companies. Several of the unlicensed manga I read on OneManga I own in hardcopy–but my Japanese isn’t good enough to understand everything.

I’m not naive enough to think that everyone is like me and pays for legit copies, but I wouldn’t have found out about some creators without OneManga.

I suppose I’ll go and study Japanese some more, because very few publishers put out the content I enjoy nowadays.

July 27, 2010 at 11:50 am
(145) BruceMcF says:

Dave says: “@ Satoshi “If you want recent manga, buy them through Internet.”

If this were POSSIBLE for people to do. People WOULD DO IT. Which is what I have been saying all along. There is a demand here and it is being IGNORED by the publishers. Relatively speaking, there is no “recent” manga in the U.S. to buy.

As Matt Blind at Rocket Bomber points out, there were about 1,000 volumes released for sale in the US in the last year.

That’s why the addition of “recent” as a qualifier … without the qualifier, there is more released in a year than someone could read in a year. Rip-off sites can release more quickly, because they don’t have to get permission and they can put up whatever crude translation happens to be freely available (though of course, when the professional translations are published, those are ripped and put up as well).

And of course, with sales dropping by about 35% between 2007 and 2009, many release schedules have slipped, because a company can only release on a rapid schedule if people are buying the manga at a rapid rate.

July 27, 2010 at 1:17 pm
(146) BAnna says:

Have any of you people complaining about manga prices ever heard of public libraries? Sure, they only buy the manga that’s available in published book form, but that includes thousands of volumes. Our town’s public library currently has nearly fifteen thousand manga volumes.

If your library doesn’t collect manga, ask them to start, and provide suggestions! It’s a great way to get around the expense of buying them yourselves.

July 27, 2010 at 1:59 pm
(147) Dave says:

@Alan “And your parents, teachers and any other adults were too naive regarding internet to teach morality to you kids.”

You’re the one using an appeal to emotion, instead of looking at facts… 9_ 9 Morality has nothing to do with this at all. Grow up.

“Wrong. The demand and your love for manga were so small you just failed to convince publishers to bring manga to your country and its YOUR fault.”

OneManga and similiar sites have proven that there is an OUTSTANDING DEMAND for a weekly updated comic site, hosting many titles. That is a FACT. So no, I am not wrong, you’re just being daft.

Nobody wrote Henry ford, and said “Hey mr ford, can you build me a cheap car, because I love cheap cars!” – Ford saw there was DEMAND – so he did the best he could to satisfy it.

“You should’ve tried again and again to convince publishers until you succeeded instead of whining miserably like babies and lowering yourselves by stealing books.”

Ironically, the only one whining like a baby is you. Do you not understand how many people used onemanga?
What is more convincing than the idea of millions of people using a service you could conceivably provide and profit off of? Did you even read the article before making your post?
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@BAnna: Unfortunately, it’s not the FREE part that is the biggest attraction. It’s the updated weekly, hundreds of titles at your finger tips, convenience part. Which if you’re lucky, your library may have hundreds of titles, but they still won’t be updated weekly.
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@Bruce:
“Rip-off sites can release more quickly, because they don’t have to get permission”

When a publisher licenses a title for print in the U.S. – they generally buy the license for the entire series. It’s not as though they’d have to go and negotiate a new license every week for each additional chapter. So your point here is kind of, well, pointless.

One of the pluses of online content is that it is plastic, and if a mistake is made in translation, it can be fixed for basically nothing, and it can be fixed quickly. There’s no real need for a lag time of months between the release in Japan and the release in the U.S. if you’re going digital.

July 27, 2010 at 2:23 pm
(148) AndreP says:

Isley-
You’re kind of ignoring that manga is licensed to publsihers in Germany, France, Italy, England, Australia, Indonesia, the Phillipines, some parts of South America, Spain and all across Asia, along with the large market for importing these editions to other countries [a lot of French manga is imported to the US.

July 27, 2010 at 3:33 pm
(149) BruceMcF says:

Isley says: “Now you’re saying the market should be limited to “supporting fans and other paying customers”.

Not “should be”. It is limited to supporting fans and other paying customers, until ways are developed to provide ad-supported content. And even then, the majority of the market will be limited to supporting fans and other paying customers.

That’s what a market is: money passing from buyer to seller. In the ad-supported market, the seller is attracting the attention of a free audience with the content and selling that attention to the advertisers.

So basically you’re saying the only people with right to enjoy manga is those on Japan or USA.

The way that a market works is that the buyer gets to decide whether or not to buy, and the seller gets to decide whether or not to sell.

No buyer actually has a right to be provided with anything by a market. If something is going to be provided “by right”, as in the right to a fair hearing after a criminal charge … it needs to be done by some other institution.

But the fact is that’s there is a lot of people wanting to read manga.

Which is how the rip-off sites make their money. But they are not doing it as a charity to countries that have fewer manga licensed … they are doing it to get hits from the US and other high income nations that will generate internet advertising revenue. The access to people in smaller markets is a side-effect.

I strongly support business models that allow the widest possible international distribution: in the related anime market, Crunchyroll sometimes gets heat because of region restrictions, but the fact is that they make more legit simulcasts available to more countries than any other streaming site.

And I hope that they will push Bitway to make the manga channel with as few regional restrictions as possible, in the context of whatever existing rights have already been agreed to.

July 27, 2010 at 3:38 pm
(150) BruceMcF says:

Dave says:
OneManga and similiar sites have proven that there is an OUTSTANDING DEMAND for a weekly updated comic site, hosting many titles. That is a FACT. So no, I am not wrong, you’re just being daft.

It only proven the audience for free manga, updated weekly, hosting many titles. It has not, in fact, proven anything regarding demand, which is the number of people willing to pay for something.

The fact that the rip-off sites have been able to generate that audience with often egregiously bad translations also proves that for a large number of people, speed trumps quality. I believe that the OpenManga venture is the one most likely to be able to make use of that bit of marketing provided by the rip-off sites.

July 27, 2010 at 3:57 pm
(151) Ed says:

@BruceMcF

You’re focusing too much in the consequences and not in the causes. I mean, sites like Onemanga and others appeared (consequence) to satisfy the fan’s needs (cause). Are you going to blame Onemanga for satisfying the need before publishers? When a custom is established is really difficult to change it. Everyone had access to manga for free through internet and nobody cared for a long time, but right now when is totally normal for everyone publishers want to change it.

Do you really believe taking out Onemanga is the solution? That site was the tip of the iceberg and without paying attention to the whole situation the problem will be there, no matter the sites down.

You asked “What precisely is the question?” The question is; Where am I going obtain the manga I want on a fixed schedule and with a low price (or free)? That’s the question.

In your previous post you mentioned sites like Crunchyroll.com, but this situation is different. In that moment anime had more free sites and more fansubs and even with that that CR tried its best to give a real experience to users and fans, but the difference with this situation is they already had something real, good and fast to offer.

BTW, fansubs’ translators sometimes are far better than the ones used with publishers.

July 27, 2010 at 4:08 pm
(152) Dave says:

So Bruce, you think if people had to pay anything, there’d be no audience?

Surely of four million people, a large number would be willing to pay something, for something similar.

Based on polls I have done before, roughly 74% of people who view stuff online would be willing to pay for it. Comments I received indicated that indeed many people would LIKE to support the artist.

Those polled were mainly female, and almost entirely under 30. I don’t know what onemanga’s demographic is, but I’d be willing to bet if their users were asked, you’d probably also end up with a majority being willing to pay something for a comparable service.

Even if only 25% (or even only 10%) of four million actually bothered to pay for a comparable service – well you get the idea. There’s money to be made here.

July 27, 2010 at 4:39 pm
(153) Letty says:

WHAT NO THEY CANT DO THAT MANGA IS OUR LIFE WITHOUT IT WE COULD ALL DIE. NO THEY CANT SHUT DOWN ALL THE MANGA SITES DAMN. I MEAN I HAVE TROUBLE JUST LOOKING FOR THE MANGA I WANT TO READ. THEY CANT DO THAT I MEAN ITS SO CRUEL FOR US WHO HAVE BEEN READING MANGA SINCE FOREVER.

July 27, 2010 at 10:02 pm
(154) AndreP says:

Letty, your life will go on, and you’ll probably still be able to enjoy manga- check out sites like http://www.shonensunday.com/top.shtml and other online offerings, some of which like http://www.yenpress.com/yenplus/ have no region restrictions.

There’s also libraries, bookstores, comic shops, online retailers- lots of cool ways to get manga while supporting your fave creators.

Check out your local library, and supportyour community- they probably have some manga, and can get more for you via interlibary loan :)

OneManga was a scam based on exploiting a mostly teenage audience for readership and website maintenance, ripping off manga artists and publishings, and making massive profits from ads while paying no one.

July 28, 2010 at 2:19 am
(155) Akuro says:

*crying* It’s not fair! I love those manga sites, and more often then not, I would by the same mangas I read on those sites! Why don’t you all just shut down the library too?!

July 28, 2010 at 9:28 am
(156) ed says:

This is the age of video games, not comic books. The publishers obviously arent aware of this. If they want to bring the rope to their own hanging, let them. There are far fewer people willing to pay for cartoons than they think.

July 28, 2010 at 10:48 am
(157) Calica says:

@Akuro: Because the library is legal.

July 28, 2010 at 11:03 am
(158) Kimi-Chan says:

I live in…. and my bookstores don’t sell manga! WAHHHHHHHHHH..what am i supposed to do?!

Instead of wailing and running around like a chicken with your head cut off, try looking for an online bookstore with cheap or free shipping. Like The Book Despository. It has prices akin to Amazon, and ships free worldwide. Oh, the power of Google…and yes, I live outside the USA and I use them. Great service. Now grow up and buy your luxury goods, which manga is, like everyone else.

July 28, 2010 at 11:31 am
(159) Ed says:

@Kimi-Chan

You portrayed your situation, not the global. Where I live, bookstores don’t sell manga and the few places where someone can find them are really expensive, maybe 4x higher than original prices.

There are places where you can buy them online, but their distribution in not worldwide and definitely, is not free shipping outside North America. But, that website which seems pretty good doesn’t have my country in that list, so I am in the same situation.

July 28, 2010 at 12:37 pm
(160) OtakuMe says:

I’m mad and sad too, I know they only want whats fair for people to buy their manga and pay with money, but sometimes money is too high and stores don’t get the manga they laugh at and love. If I ever wrote a manga or book I wouldn’t want the money I would only want for my readers to see and experience the love my book brought them, that’s something Manga writers should want too. Am I not right? I know a starting a boycott or petition won’t save manga scanlation sites, it would probably only cause more damage. So that’s why I’m saying this in this entry. That we manga readers should let it go. In a case of good and evil, we would be evil and as you know evil hardly ever wins.

July 28, 2010 at 1:05 pm
(161) AndreP says:

“If I ever wrote a manga or book I wouldn’t want the money I would only want for my readers to see and experience the love my book brought them, that’s something Manga writers should want too.”

Wow, that’s a pretty awful thing to say or think. Making comics is hard work, and people deserve to be compensated for it, not ripped off by people who are in no way fans, or sites that make a huge profit from them without their involvement, consent or knowledge.

If you honestly believe this, you are not a fan of manga or comics. You really need to look at this from a different perspective.

July 28, 2010 at 3:53 pm
(162) FushigiNaKuniNo says:

Honestly, everyone who’s so upset because they “can’t read manga ever again” must not care too much about the manga in the first place.

If you like a series enough you will be able to keep up with the Japanese releases through dedicated fansub groups (and you’ll probably support the industry by requesting/buying the English-language release too, gasp!). If joining said groups is too much effort, you’re probably exactly the kind of useless manga whore that OneManga catered to, and you do not serve this industry or your fellow fans in any way.

I do not support the total removal of fansubs, and luckily neither does the industry. I just believe in supporting that the industry that I love, and kicking out the people who don’t care enough to do more than one-stop-shopping to read dozens of titles for free.

July 28, 2010 at 4:12 pm
(163) Kimi-Chan says:

“If I ever wrote a manga or book I wouldn’t want the money I would only want for my readers to see and experience the love my book brought them, that’s something Manga writers should want too.”

Sp people who spend MONTHS creating a volume should be happy for fans to just get enjoyment, and not care that they did an assignment for cash to pay their bills as much as they did because they love to create manga? Most of them became mangaka because they loved it so much, they chose that as a CAREER. Or do you people think they are all married to billionaires or something else? Geez…

July 28, 2010 at 5:14 pm
(164) James says:

@ Dave

Quantcast is a great place to find website demographics. The link has info for Onemanga. It’s about like sitelogr in terms of how accurate it actually is, but you can get the basic gist of things (IE, more males use it than males, most users are younger than 34, etc.)

Anyway, on the issue of supporting the industry, I’m sure plenty of people pay for the series they can pay for (IE, really like enough to buy) at the least. If they do this then them pirating is STILL WRONG. That’s not justification,

July 28, 2010 at 5:20 pm
(165) James says:

@ Dave

Quantcast is a great place to find website demographics. The link has info for Onemanga. It’s about like sitelogr in terms of how accurate it actually is, but you can get the basic gist of things (IE, more males use it than males, most users are younger than 34, etc.)

July 28, 2010 at 5:27 pm
(166) James says:

*To finish my prior comment*

That’s not justification, but these people are supporting the industry just as much as the haughty guy who only buys what he can afford, even if what that guy can afford is a single volume. Actually, they’re supporting it “more” if they can buy dozens of volumes to his single volume.

July 28, 2010 at 5:35 pm
(167) Ed says:

@KimiChan; You talk as you have met a lot of mangakas and artists. I’m almost sure you don’t and as I haven’t either, so what we write here are only guessing.

We all know they deserve money for their work and if it’s good, is a must. But, do you really think their only income comes from manga sales? They have incomes from anime, video games, merchandising and all kind of stuff.

We know this kind of sites don’t give the money to the publishers and distributors, and those companies are the bridges between mangakas and fans. But, they haven’t work this business properly, at least not the online manga and when everyone was using that service for free, they want to change it.

Right now, the problem is too big and too late to control it.

July 28, 2010 at 5:50 pm
(168) Donald K says:

It can’t end like this. We the people must fight. We must shout in one voice that we won’t go down without a fight we must help Onemanga and fight to keep it up!

July 28, 2010 at 6:22 pm
(169) Isley says:

@AndreP:
I’m aware of the fact that popular manga are lisenced in many places, but the fact here (and what I’m meant in my last post) its because there are no way to get it in an interesting schedule. for example I’m a Bleach fan, and of course I have bought all mangas available in my area (25). But bleach is already past 35 volumes. So legally, I should be al least 100 chapters behind the actual manga is. The industry does not care about this, nor how much time I need to wait before I get a new volume. This is why One manga is an interesting option for manga fans. I read the manga online, but this does not stop me from buying the mangas, because I take pride on my collection.
@ Bruce, as you can see, I’m a “supporting fan and paying customer” in the measure the manga industry let me be one. If there were all the 35 volumes available I would already have them. The companies does not care if I get manga or not, because they probably think where I live is not a profitable market. So legally I and a lot of fans should just curl up and die, but thinking this is not realistic, much less when the manga we long for is just one clik away.

July 28, 2010 at 7:00 pm
(170) Dave says:

@James:

I was not suggesting it made pirating, or viewing pirated material justified.

My point is that if a site was put up that licensed the works, people would use. They would use it even if they had to pay for it.

But no such site exists, so it’s either nothing, or pirated works.

It doesn’t have to be this way, but publishers don’t seem to be very interested in doing it. I have a suspicion that even though such a venture would definitely be profitable, they’re afraid that it would eat out the bottom of their print sales.

Also, one point that nobody has actually really bothered to mention yet: Artists do not get royalties on book sales unless over 10,000 copies are sold… which means that Japanese artists pretty much get 0 royalites from U.S. book sales, unless they have a huge mega hit like inuyasha.

If a paysite could capture even half of the numbers that onemanga had it would be very beneficial to the artist…

but again, there’s nothing.

The concept makes sense, the market is huge, but nobody is offering the service that is in demand.

July 28, 2010 at 7:02 pm
(171) Dave says:

I should also point out that because it COSTS LESS to put material online, than it does in print – potentially U.S. publishers could license even more titles, and release them ONLINE ONLY if they do not believe they would sell well enough in print to justify printing. They could also wind up series they already licensed but will not print in their entirety because of slow sales.

Everything works out better, and yet it’s not being done.

July 28, 2010 at 7:26 pm
(172) James says:

Dave, my comment about pirating manga was just in general, it wasn’t as a counterpoint to anything you said, sorry for not making that clear. And your point about royalties and going online only to maintain profitability is a good one. I know I would love to see series online only if that’s all that could be possible.

July 28, 2010 at 7:36 pm
(173) Kimi-Chan says:

@KimiChan; You talk as you have met a lot of mangakas and artists. I’m almost sure you don’t and as I haven’t either, so what we write here are only guessing.

You’d lose your bet if you made it with surety :D I’ve had private conversations with both OEL and Japanese mangaka, about this topic, as it happens. So have other industry bloggers and manga reviewers. It’s not guesswork on our part.

July 29, 2010 at 3:14 am
(174) Dophanes says:

As long as there is internet, there will be free manga! to take away free manga, is to take away the internet! and we all know that wont happen, ya newfags

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July 29, 2010 at 7:56 am
(175) Lame attempt says:

The websites will close, so what? People will just have to download zips with megaupload, rapidshare… No big deal, scanlations have been there for much longer than onemanga & co have.

About Bruce, I myself dont mind buying mangas, however what I do ming is the WAITING TIME, if they can provide me the manga WEEKLY at the same time it comes out in japan without having to wait months to read the last chapter, I am most than willing to pay.

On the contraty if not, well there is always the old method of IRC, and scanlations that have always been there. At the end of the day it is only a matter of time that a piratebay version of onemanga comes out, and when it does, publishers will be powerless. People are no longer willing to wait MONTHS before reading, they are more than willing to support in the foundation of a powerful site with the means to defend itself if that saves them the waiting. However Im sure said phenomena wont happen if publishers provide a null waiting time just as Onemanga did.

And we the fans have ALWAYS supported the mangaka, we do not however support the big companies, who in turn steal the mangaka paying them 0.1% of the royalities and keeping the rest for them.

July 29, 2010 at 11:46 pm
(176) dawn says:

ok i dont like how they go and think that people have all the time in the world to go and get these books and then read them and keep them around. i mean on sites like onemanga.com we could go and read things when we wanted. an what happends now? people like me on the road going from one home to the next cant just go and house 20 or more books. now because of some people the people who cant go to a library or dont have the money for the books cant read them. thats not right or far the us. we didnt do anything to make thi happen so why should we have to pay the price? i mean really the least these people could do is make a NEW FREE web site for the good people like us. i’ve beening reading onemanga.com for 3 years i dont like what has happed and wish that they would make another site like it.

July 30, 2010 at 12:01 am
(177) KitsunePan says:

I only got a few words to say.

This is Reality.

Its going away.

But like all companies that have tried in the past with different products, like Music, Movies, and TV series *and yes anime included*, Its never going away.

There will always be piraters, there will always be file sharing and torrenting just like there will always be people reading a whole book in a store and putting it back and not buying it.

You cant force people to do what they dont want to do in these situations, so unless you kill the internet, its not going away.

So either make a paysite so you can atleast make ‘some’ profit, or just plain old give up, just like most other companies, cause in 5 years from now it will just sprout up again in some way shape or form.

Ill be waiting for when that time comes so sayonara my beloved manga site I shall miss thee. hope you can find a solution soon.

though manga site holders should remember, if it isnt liscensed in america they cant touch it till they do.

and for the others, last time I checked file sharing is still legal, helllooooo~ Instant message programs X3

July 30, 2010 at 12:42 pm
(178) laina says:

how could they do this to the reader not everyone have the money. The manga on sales in my country are raising each day it get more and more expensive I used to get a lot of mangas but it just way too expensive now. I love mangas and it not like translating them to English for everyone to understand is a crime. Mangas have help me learn more English, you can’t just take it away T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T You have to stop this !!!!!!!!

July 31, 2010 at 1:29 pm
(179) xXJAG44Xx says:

what the haystack am i supposed to do now? now i have to wait like forever to see the new naruto and bleach that would normally come out next wk! and besides the fact that in america they are wayyy too far behind so itss a waste of time to try and watch it on tv … so online is the only source but unfortunaetly i caant invest money on mangas cus my parents seee it as a waste of money… i love the series and all but i cant purchase them so now i might as well just give up on mangas period.. thanx for shutting down one manga.. you just made alottttt of people have to try and either find another pirated version of the mangas or just give up on magas, kus im not buying this bull!

August 1, 2010 at 6:04 pm
(180) samanesh says:

come one people, we all knew this is illegal. It’s like cycling trough a red light, because it’s fast and because you always do it, then complain if some policeman catches you. (it really happens) I’ve read mangas on OM too, and i was annoyed too when they announced they would shut it down, but come on, if you really want manga you should just pay for it, or else just go do something else, it’s not the end of the world.

August 2, 2010 at 12:07 am
(181) hardotaku says:

FUCK THEM ALL!!!!
they destroy our only hope and salvation against their ridiculous price for manga title.
they are afraid of losing their customer to scanlation site.
they should lower down the price and update their manga once a week.
i once buy the latest manga and when i read i realize that it was like way old….
i mean what the heck??!
i pay for it i should get the latest, not old one…
now i have to hope and pray that they continue to scanlate manga and publish it to any website… TT^TT

August 2, 2010 at 3:19 am
(182) marissa says:

NO this is not fair, i looked foward every single day to read manga, NOW WHT AM I SUPPOSE TO DOO, manga was everything to meee. i enjoyed it very muchh

August 2, 2010 at 6:07 am
(183) Rox says:

There is NO way to buy manga in my country, so what should I do then? This is so depressing. These people don’t understand that many of us would BUY the mangas if we could, but we simply can’t.

August 2, 2010 at 8:13 pm
(184) Aneesa says:

to be honest, a lot of the people here the read online manga actually dont buy it…. but a lot of people those same people happen to become obsessed with some of the manga. So they may not buy the 50 naruto books already out, but they will buy things like plushies, clothing, and other products….
i dont know much about business but i know that if many of the fans buy the clothing and plushies, shouldnt the money be given to the manga publishers too? since i guess they do own it…. and i think that brings in money….
i’m really sad now, because i usually read a lot of unpopular manga, which means my local libraries, book stores, and school library doesnt have these…
:(
i wouldnt have a problem buying manga, and i’m one of those people that must own a book that i love….. <3

August 3, 2010 at 5:55 am
(185) Eman says:

Deam this really sucks, my country dosent sell manga, Since i live in a country where we speak spanish(Argentina). i went and learn english so i could read it thats how much i love manga and now its like they cut my legs, i would love to buy manga but they dont sell them here and now with no manga on the internet i dont know how im going to finish reading my mangas and enjoy my hobbyT_T life isnt fair.

August 3, 2010 at 9:48 am
(186) Isley says:
August 3, 2010 at 11:11 am
(187) Jonas says:

I have mixed feelings about this. I understand why people want to claim copyright on their works. At the same time it complete eliminates people’s chance to read the not so popular manga if they live outside of Japan. I’m so sad that OM shut down because I really loved that site.

August 3, 2010 at 9:13 pm
(188) ScanFan says:

Screw the publishers, when they stop charging through the nose because they can’t move past a business model that’s been outdated for years they can start complaining, until then they can shove it.

On the other hand, it’s not like OneManga was the only place to read scanlations. Losing one site isn’t that big a deal; there’s plenty more out there and the scanlators themselves aren’t going to cowtow to greedy corporate interests.

August 4, 2010 at 12:22 am
(189) bicks says:

i will never be able to read manga again

August 4, 2010 at 2:24 am
(190) Anon :p says:

To start off I am a hardcore manga fan. The thing is, I totally support the fact that OM is being shut down.
It’s actually a very good business strategy to leave all the international readers in the middle of a manga. The addiction to that manga will drive them to purchase the manga.
That being said, even though the mangakas deserve to shut the site down, it’s not like OM was the only source of manga. I can get all the volumes of naruto/bleach at my local library. Also, pirates will always be pirates. People will still scanlate the mangas nevertheless. It will be hosted on a smaller site or available as a torrent download. The fan base will NEVER die down with the current level of obsession. More people will buy it, and the pirates will download it of they wish. Just like it is with movies.
So, everyone. Stop whining and find your favorite mangas elsewhere. Give the publishers a CHANCE to see if this will increae their revenue, I wish them the best of luck.

August 4, 2010 at 3:22 am
(191) Fauxt says:

nevertheless to say, those publishers just want to eradicate piracy..BUT dont they know that sites like onemanga are the best way to promote and advertise their works??/ what a waste..

August 4, 2010 at 2:24 pm
(192) anthony says:

if they made a website we could even pay for monthly that had a huge selection i would even be inclined to pay that, but how can we get translated manga, i read about 30 of the manga on that site.

August 5, 2010 at 7:11 am
(193) RAGE says:

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU—

August 6, 2010 at 12:55 pm
(194) Ed says:

Hey Deb Aoki, you should be really happy with this article. Because, I guess counting all the previous post in all the articles you have written before i this blog are less than 100 and just here you have almost 200.

So, congrats for that.

BTW, Onemanga is just the tip of the ice. Internet manga losed a battle, not the war.

August 6, 2010 at 2:26 pm
(195) J says:

MANGA IS A FORM OF LITERATURE AND ART THAT SHOULD BE AVAILABLE TO ALL TEENS AT LEAST MANGA SHOULD BE RELEASED INTO THE PUBLIC, onemanga is important to the manga world because it provides many english readers to a large, wonderful, and translated variety of almost never american released series. i say we have to bring a way american readers can be exposed to manga thats readily available.

-Alias
“manga fan at heart”

August 8, 2010 at 2:00 pm
(196) Ashelia Zerith says:

I am utterly shocked about this.
While it is only right for manga publishing companies to claim copyrights, it’s also quite depressing for us scanlation fans to lose one thing we all love in common – that is, to read our favorite manga titles in English for free at anytime.
I guess not all good things in life are free after all.

August 11, 2010 at 2:36 pm
(197) Fmmmmm says:

There are a lot of thieves here.

August 12, 2010 at 9:31 pm
(198) kcsega says:

I find this to be very funny.

If you go to Japan, you’ll see that you can pretty much go into any bookstore (eg. Book-Off) or convenience store and read all of the manga on the shelves.
No one comes over and tells you to “buy or get out”.

Additionally, you can go into an internet cafe/manga kisaten and read manga all day if you like. (Granted, you have to pay for entry.)
Plus, manga is dirt cheap here compared to other countries.

I’m not saying that this will happen in other countries any time soon, but it’s just the fact that people have all these alternatives is the reason why we don’t really see Japanese versions of onemanga all over the web.

I do not think that anyone would like the idea of having separate online subscriptions to read manga, nor paying to download each chapter. We’d end up having a subscription to ADV, Del Rey, Tokyopop, Viz, etc.

Wouldn’t it be better if there was one online database, then each company would upload their chapters each week, with each company receiving a percentage of the subscriptions based on how much their tiles were accessed?

They need to understand that fans are greedy. They want as many titles as possible, for the lowest price possible, and they want the latest releases in front of their eyes as soon as humanly possible.

The sooner they take advantage of this, the sooner they can start making profit, and eventually slow or eliminate the need for such sites as onemanga.

August 12, 2010 at 11:51 pm
(199) Eko says:

Let me start off with ..i got into manga because -no i’m not going to say the cliched scanlations- I read a manga at my local library and I liked it ,i really did so i put all available volumes on hold and then when i got them and found that there weren’t anymore volumes I figured the library didn’t buy them.So i went to the publishers site and found out that they dropped it.And I was desperate to find out the rest of the storty thats when my friend suggested onemanga .Thats how igot hooked on it but thats not the point .
The point is that so many fans get introduced to manga not thru internet but in real life.They then turn to these sites tru need because they can’t get the liscensed ones anywhere(dropped, not available,blah,blah,blah).

A good solution would be what i think someone else implied.So i’m going to state it clearly:

Have the first and most recent chapters posted on a publishers site and have the already in print chapters dropped.that way more people would get into it but also buy it at the same time if they wanted to know the story.

August 14, 2010 at 5:59 pm
(200) jbondsr says:

I agree with kcsega.

Look at companies like Netflix. They offer tons of movies and TV dramas all in one easy to access place. They’ve cut into sales of physical media, and forced other rental stores to close down or to emulate their business practice.
Netflix could also easily add the option to allow for purchase downloads if the studios allowed for it.

I think it would be great if someone could do something like this for digital comics and manga.

August 16, 2010 at 6:23 am
(201) Amelli-Kara says:

What the hell!!!how are people in places like ausralia now meant to read manga. it is barely sold here so this was my only option!
!!!
this is an outrage and the response will be nothing but negative.
i would like to congradulate the liceners as they have officially crusheed thwe hobby of several hundred devoted manga fans!!!!!

this is simple horrendous. ui cAN’T EVEN BEGIN TO EXPRESS MY HORROR AND ANGER!!!!!!!!

August 20, 2010 at 2:26 pm
(202) Abekira says:

dont worry manga scanlation won’t die just because of this issues, there’s a saying in my country “die one, born thousand”

August 21, 2010 at 2:20 pm
(203) earthborne says:

Makes you wonder why the publishers don’t try and shut down libraries, right? We’re still getting them for free aren’t we?

I think what really pisses me off is that they gripe about these sites taking away their audience, when in fact, they drive them away all on their own with the ridiculous prices. Most of all, for series like the Get Backers, they simply STOP TRANSLATING midway through the series. WTF TokyoPop? No wonder people have no faith in you at all.

August 22, 2010 at 5:57 pm
(204) miss pissed off says:

i am so pissed off about this lets rebel! that site was my life, and i am not some loser who spends all their time on the computer because they have nothing better to do with thier lifes, i choose to be on this site READING(like a good behaved little girl) what right do they have to take that away from us? i have been looking for a new site to replace onemanga, and hey, guess what, every single one i found is a piece of crap. they could have shut down all they crappy sites and kept onemanga, it was the only one that was not confusing, fast, and workable, so screw the people who think shutting it down was a good idea, cuz oh, would you look at that, over a ga-gillion people want kill you now, and no ones gonna save you. if you are as pissed off as me right now, get your ass out there and say so. if we want onemanga back, we have to go get it!

August 23, 2010 at 7:32 pm
(205) naruto123 says:

I from Indonesia. All my friends and I has been disrupted with all this thing.Why Onemanga is destroyed?Why?! We have a huge lag here.The newest volume in Onemanga is 506.The newest comic volume is 48.The lag is 458. Huge lag is it? This is Naruto comic. Oh and one thing.You cannot rely on its anime here.Because the tv station have messed up with the timing and translations.We could have a episode thrice.And what they do to the translations? They destroyed it! Chidori become Blue light jutsu! What is that? And there is still another manga in One manga other than Naruto! Means, we have multiple disruptions. So this is the comparisons: Indonesian anime<Indo manga<Japan anime<Onemanga<=Japan manga. So what you want to say,Bad Manga Publisher that close One Manga ??????????

August 24, 2010 at 1:28 pm
(206) BruceMcF says:

@Naruto123 : if someone set up a bootleg viewer site and region-locked it to southeast asia by redirecting searches from outside of southeast asia to the publisher’s site, this particular group would leave you alone.

On the other hand, you would have to contribute money to keep a site like that alive, because its the advertising revenue from the US that generates the profit.

@ miss pissed off : So the industry and the manga-ka who do the work get people angry at them, when almost nobody who views manga at the site does anything to support their work. So?

@earthborn : they don’t shut down libraries because libraries buy their manga instead of ripping it off. Indeed, since you cannot keep the manga from the library, the manga that are sold to libraries tend to generate additional sales to individual buyers. There was actually a whole blog post about this issue near the top of the blog.

@Abekira : scanlation sites won’t die, but that is not the target. The target is to do some weeding so that there will be room for the useful plants to grow. Bitway is starting a channel on Crunchyroll, Square Enix is starting a digital store, OpenManga is working on making legal fan translations, and DMP is working on a big legal fan translation site starting out with a focus on yaoi.

Taking down the top thirty sites will give the legal sites a chance to get the high rankings in the search engines that are currently occupied by rip-off sites.

August 24, 2010 at 1:50 pm
(207) BruceMcF says:

@kcsega : “I do not think that anyone would like the idea of having separate online subscriptions to read manga, nor paying to download each chapter. We’d end up having a subscription to ADV, Del Rey, Tokyopop, Viz, etc.

The DMP and OpenManga ventures seem to be more like new digital-focused publishers, making new material available legally that the print publishers cannot afford to publish, because of the overhead of the print run and translation. DMP is trying to turn the translation into a percentage of revenue, and OpenManga seems to be trying for volunteer translations, like scanlations except legal.

The publisher sites seem to be like going for an online digital magazine. I don’t know if they are going to be successful or not. Maybe something like SigIKKI would work better if they had teaser chapters and some full series for free and subscribers could view the full series for the teasers.

Crunchyroll says they are not licensing any manga, but are going to be offering a platform for manga to be made available, so they are the closest to what you are talking about. I’d hope that if DMP or OpenManga or both are successful at getting currently unlicensed manga available, they will be using the Crunchyroll channel as one way to distribute it.

August 25, 2010 at 5:40 pm
(208) Lunias says:

I loved one manga. Other sites like MangaFox, Meh. Whenever I tried to use that site, my computer got so bugged I had to turn it off.
Now, no matter how mad the fans are, you can’t deny that pirating is illegal. As such, the publishers had a motive behind shutting down these sites, being to slow down the loss of revenue. No, not to make up for every single sale lost, but to give them enough time to think. They will put up pay-for sites that will (hopefully) be just as good, minus having to pay for it.
As for you guys saying that the library is more legal than Scantilations, think for a moment: when renting books from the library is free, each one copy gets rented thousands of times, you will still lose money from people who can’t afford the book. Does that mean you should shut down the libraries to increase revenue? No.
Something that has been said in other comments is that “one scantilation fan doesn’t directly equate to one copy not sold”, or something like that. This is entirely true: there are many people, such as myself, who would love to buy it. I don’t have enough money to buy them yet, but I will try.
On one of the earliest comments: Tiredofhearingit: so if I’m unfortunate enough to be unable to buy the series, I don’t deserve to read it? I hate people who are righteous enough to stereotype me as a leech on society, who is too lazy to buy the manga. Don’t you think that if I had enough money, I would buy it? Yes, I would! There are sites like Hulu that run TV shows online that you don’t pay for. Essentially, they work the same way as One Manga did, but it is somehow legal. Explain that, and tell me that people who watch Hulu and can’t afford TV don’t deserve to watch it!

Long story short, it sucks that this happened, but it did. Crying and whining about it doesn’t help anybody! Sign a petition or something, just don’t give up! support online sites!

August 25, 2010 at 8:37 pm
(209) AlucardHellsing97 says:

Honestly, I support the mangakas and their recent crackdown, but you have to admit…In America, it takes WEEKS for the next chapter to come out for a manga. For example: I can read the latest bleach on one site the day it comes out and is scanlated, but in reality, it won’t come out till about 4-5 months later, when the series is already 20-30 frigging chapters ahead. You also have to put in mind the RIDICULOUS amount of censorship cause of the ridiculous bullshit that is the american population(Im full-blood American..), but anyways, the fact of the matter is that people who respect the Mangakas right to take a site down, even if they are a little pissed, are not pirates. Thats just my opinion…

August 26, 2010 at 9:31 pm
(210) RandomFan says:

Any true fan to a series would not let this get in the way of their reading. Find something else to read, or just find the series by some other means! Legal means, though, or else this will happen all over again.

August 31, 2010 at 12:30 pm
(211) Sabi says:

All this bawwwing about manga being expensive.
‘Til it went mainstream, people paid ridiculous amounts of money for untranslated works and FANSUBBED ANIME. I’m not talking a $20 DVD with 4 or 6 episodes professionally dubbed or subtitled. I’m talking a $120 VHS with 2 episodes FANSUBBED.
STFU and GTFO fairweather fans. I don’t need you in my fandom. Not now, not ever.
I buy legal. It’s a recession. I don’t eat sometimes, and worry about being homeless, but I love anime and manga. It’s what I do. Call a waaaaambulance for all I care, but SHUT UP. You have NO RIGHT to complain at all.

September 4, 2010 at 5:10 am
(212) Anna Anonymous says:

awh, that sucks. . . i practically learned how to read with manga =P i knew this was coming, thats why i’ve started reading actual books.
i just think that its not fair to the authors, think about them for once!! they work all day long on one chapter, drawing all that, all freakin’ day! and you are complaining about not being able to read a chapter one week earlier. . . the authors need to make money, they cant just let ppl read for free! its like illegal movies.
think, why would an author want you to read for free, while you can earn them a good 10-20 bucks??

September 9, 2010 at 11:00 pm
(213) Lunias says:

I have to say that, growing up, my parents didn’t like me reading that “Nariarto-crap” “comic books”. I read many of the recent books I find interesting (If you’ve even heard of the Hunger Games series, read it. All three books are out, and the last topped every Bestseller chart!). There’s nothing wrong with a book that has NO PICTURES. While manga is great and has more plot than a comic book, it doesn’t fulfill the same way as a great Chapter Book. I, for one, can read an entire mangaka in around 15 minutes, while a book the same size takes me the whole day.
No matter how you complain about the unfairness, I implore you, look at other sites. Go to blogs and the like, learn about the subject. It isn’t hard to understand both sides if you view many opinions. If you still don’t like it, do something productive! If we support legal sites, they can grow and become just as useful without being shut down.

September 12, 2010 at 5:07 pm
(214) BruceMcF says:

@Lunias “As for you guys saying that the library is more legal than Scantilations, think for a moment: when renting books from the library is free, each one copy gets rented thousands of times, you will still lose money from people who can’t afford the book. Does that mean you should shut down the libraries to increase revenue? No.

Its physically impossible for one copy to be borrowed from a library thousands of times in one year, let alone in a month. And unlike bootleg downloads, its only used by one person at a time.

If a library lends manga thousands of times a year, that means that it buys hundreds of manga a year. But OneManga, it can serve a single copy of a file thousands of times [i]a day[/i], without ever buying a single copy.

That is why Libraries are an important part of the market for manga, and many manga that break even would lose money if they lost the library part of the market.

Something that has been said in other comments is that “one scantilation fan doesn’t directly equate to one copy not sold”, or something like that. This is entirely true: there are many people, such as myself, who would love to buy it. I don’t have enough money to buy them yet, but I will try

Yes, it is true, and, yes, it is entirely beside the point. The fact that sites like OneManga provide no direct benefit to the people who create the manga means that if there is one lost sale for each 10 or 100 views, that is still more lost sales than the people who draw the manga should have to put up with.

September 14, 2010 at 5:40 am
(215) DONREYNE says:

I agree with Ronny

From the place where i’m at, manga is scarce if there is even some. and the only way for me to read em is by reading them online. and i’m not representing onbly my self but i’m speaking on behalf of my group of manga readers from out place

September 14, 2010 at 1:15 pm
(216) Silver says:

Oh no, what a pity.
I’ll just have to move onto one of the other thousand manga sites out there.

September 14, 2010 at 9:33 pm
(217) pcz says:

Wow
You know, there’s always Chinese translations.
While the big manga publishers flexed its muscles in a small US market, I believe they are still quite weak in the Chinese market.
Otherwise, learn Japanese and read raws or spend some money and start buying translated manga

recession or regardless, we still pay money to go to theaters to see movies, but only for the good ones

November 2, 2010 at 10:14 am
(218) Garrison Kane says:

I have been an avid fan of both manga and anime. the one problem i find is that the ONLY way to be able to watch/read manga is via the internet. i am aware that there are licensed channels such as Funimation but these channels are unavailable in the UK and so we are left with no option but to watch/download these on the net. if there where channels available within the UK and other countries i for one would not have any problem paying a subscription fee. i believe that publishers are shooting themselves in the foot by restricting their audiences.

December 6, 2010 at 2:33 pm
(219) Lunias says:

I understand that even libraries generate more revenue than thousands of readers on the internet. When I first heard the news about OM shutting down, I was apalled at the idea that I would not be able to read online anymore. Now, I can look back and see that my comments, much like many others, are repetitive bits of information that isn’t exactly relevant. Sure, a library still lets readers get books for free, but it doesn’t replace the type of reading that OM produced. Fans are still raving, though not as often, of the sins of the writing community. The main problem in america and all these other countries is that the amount of time it takes to translate the languages is too long, and the result is a poorly-done translation. I remember one person complaining that “chidori” was translated into “blue-light jutsu”. How can anyone justify that? There has to be a faster, better way to do this.
BTW: “Down with 4 Kids! All hail Disney!”

April 9, 2011 at 6:08 am
(220) waqas says:

This shame, why can’t they leave them alone and let people carry on reading than finding it hard to find to read it other other site or want read any good book, WHat shame, Is this turn into that Manga site be shut down and we have read/buy it from shop? Hmmmm

May 13, 2011 at 7:59 pm
(221) Jevon says:

I really think this is a terrible move. I would have never grow any interest in manga whatsoever had I not discovered one manga. Now I actually buy loads of manga. That’s a load of sales that would never have come to be had it not been for online scanalations…sigh….I loved one manga

December 23, 2012 at 4:10 am
(222) sara says:

the forums aren’t working either,what happened?

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