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U.S., Japan Manga Publishers Band Together to Stop Scanlation Sites

By June 9, 2010

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VIZ Media logoWhen news broke last month that a coalition of American comics publishers banded together to sic lawyers and the FBI on HTMLcomics.com, a popular website that hosted unauthorized scans of new and old comics, many industry watchers wondered if U.S. and Japanese publishers would take similar action against manga scanlation sites. Well, the speculation is over.

As of this morning, news broke on Publishers Weekly, Anime News Network and via press releases from VIZ Media and tweets from TokyoPop that 36 Japanese publishers (joined together as the Japanese Digital Comic Association) and U.S. manga publishers, including Yen Press, TokyoPop, Vertical Inc., and the Tuttle-Mori Agency have announced the formation of "a coalition of Japanese and U.S. publishers announced a coordinated effort to combat a rampant and growing problem of internet piracy plaguing the manga industry."

TokyoPop logoSquarely in the coalition's sights are the numerous scanlation aggregation websites that host unauthorized, fan-translated and scanned pages from Japanese manga and Korean manhwa.  Many of these sites host thousands of pages of manga without the permission of the manga creators or publishers, and several have garnered enough webtraffic to rank in the top 1,000 of websites in the world. While many fans have come to rely on these sites for a free manga fix, the growing popularity of these sites on top of the declining sales of manga in recent years, in both Japan and the U.S. has made scanlation websites a sore spot for many publishers.

"Go back two years and track these sites and you'll find an inverse relationship between the rise of traffic on these scanlation sites and the decline in U.S. manga sales," said Kurt Hassler, publishing director of Yen Press and a former graphic novel and manga buyer for Borders Books and Music.

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As the coalition's press release describes the current situation:

"Scanlation,"  as this form of piracy has come to be known, refers to the unauthorized digital scanning and translation of manga material that is subsequently posted to the Internet without the consent of copyright holders or their licensees. According to the coalition, the problem has reached a point where scanlation aggregator sites now host thousands of pirated titles, earning ad revenue and/or membership dues at creators' expense while simultaneously undermining foreign licensing opportunities and unlawfully cannibalizing legitimate sales. Worse still, this pirated material is already making its way to smartphones and other wireless devices, like the iPhone and iPad, through apps that exist solely to link to and republish the content of scanlation sites.

Black Butler Vol. 1Until recently, individual publishers have had limited success getting their licensed titles removed from these websites.  For example, Dark Horse and Yen Press successfully petitioned Onemanga.com to remove titles like Gantz and Black Butler from their online rosters. But despite these efforts, only a handful of titles have been removed out of hundreds listed. But from the sound of things, publishers are taking things to the next level by pooling their financial and legal resources to stop online piracy.

As the press release describes this new effort:

"Working together, the membership of the coalition will actively seek legal remedies to this intellectual property theft against those sites that fail to voluntarily cease their illegal appropriation of this material."

"It is unfortunate that this action has become necessary," said a spokesperson for the group. "However, to protect the intellectual property rights of our creators and the overall health of our industry, we are left with no other alternative but to take aggressive action. It is our sincere hope that offending sites will take it upon themselves to immediately cease their activities. Where this is not the case, however, we will seek injunctive relief and statutory damages. We will also report offending sites to federal authorities, including the anti-piracy units of the Justice Department, local law enforcement agencies and FBI."

Yen Press logoTranslated into plain-speak, it means that the coalition's press release is meant to be the first warning shot; a nudge meant to urge scanlation websites to remove unauthorized, scanned and translated manga from their rosters. If this warning is not enough, then the coalition will likely escalate matters by pursuing legal action, which might include lawsuits and reporting the offending websites to the police, the U.S. Justice Department and the FBI.

The press release does not name any scanlation sites in particular, but it does mention that 30 known scanlation websites are targeted.  Speculation on the various online forums have named popular sites such as OneManga.com, MangaFox and MangaHelpers as examples of websites that the coalition is aiming to address.

Online reaction to the news ran the gamut from "It's about time" to "How dare they!"

"This is fantastic!  Finally, publishers are pooling their resources and stepping up to the plate!  I love manga and it kills me to see it slowly dying here in the states." - FeralKat, ANN Forums

"...this move is a despicable action taken by industry that simply wants more money." - Animanijak, OneManga Forums

Some scanlators and scan readers bemoaned that "the end is near":

"This site is as good as dead, I'll enjoy the ride while I can before I have to adapt to a new site." - Spade, OneManga Forums

while others crowed that "they can't stop us even if they try."

"Even if they take down this site a other one will take its place , just look at Pirate Bay." - JakeRose20, OneManga forums

Some fans took the news as an opportunity to scold manga publishers for not acting quickly enough to offer online versions of popular manga:

"These companies need to come up with legal solutions to get the content out in reasonable and reliable channels. Has stamping down on mp3 sharing sites really done much to stop music piracy? No." - Aerfyn, ANN Forums

" I don't believe I should be punished or have to wait longer for things just because English is my first language. Its pure discrimination and I won't stand for it in any form."  - Ranma87, ANN Forums

Meanwhile, some respondents reminded fans who complained about the possible end of easy access to translated manga that the best way to read the latest and greatest comics straight from Japan was to learn to read Japanese.

"The world doesn't owe you a translation." - CCSYueh, ANN Forums

More than a few fans mentioned that they were willing to pay to read manga online if more authorized translations were readily available online.

"Yeah, they need to start offering manga legally online. I would love them forever if they were able to bring us the newest chapters of One Piece right along with when the Japanese get them in Shonen Jump.  I don't care if I have to pay for it, I just wish they'd get something worked out. - Revolutionary, ANN Forums

"If they're going after the online world, that means there might be plans to bring even more manga online, too. Free (with ad revenue), or at least at a very low price. The companies have a potentially huge market waiting to happen, and it's only a matter of time before a smart company decides to bring it all to the net, legally." - serial, Japanator.com

You can read a sampling of the fan reaction at the ANN forums, the OneManga Forums and at Japanator.com -- they offer an interesting array of opinions out there.

Personally, while I was surprised to hear the news this morning, I was also not that surprised. Given the recent trends in the manga publishing business, and heck, the comics publishing business in general, (e.g. falling sales, several manga publishers going out of business in recent years and the growing interest in digital publishing), it seemed like it was just a matter of time before something like this coalition of U.S. and Japanese publishers would come to pass.

It's very easy for manga fans to do some backseat driving here -- to blame the publishers for "not giving us what we want, when we want it, how we want it, and at the price we want it (free)" -- but come on. It's not cheap, fast or easy to put out simultaneous U.S. / Japan releases of translated manga, much less make it available online in all of the various ebook and online reader formats that are out there now, with so many types of readers (Kindle vs. Nook vs. iPad) vying for supremacy in the market now, much like the battle for platform supremacy that was waged between Betamax and VHS, Playstation vs. Wii vs. XBox.

It takes longer for authorized versions of translated manga to get published in the U.S. because

  1. Professionally-written, edited and localized manga translations take time to write and edit.
  2. It takes time to get approvals from licensors, publishers and manga creators, especially between U.S. and Japan.
  3. It takes time for letterers to adapt the artwork, sound effects and typeset the dialogue so it looks great.
  4. And let's not forget the last part: it takes money to make, publish, distribute and sell manga -- money to pay the translators, editors, graphic designers, artists, assistants, licensors and printers; just to name a few of the many people it takes to bring manga to you.

To be fair, several publishers have responded to fans' requests for faster releases, such as the recent Naruto and One Piece speeded up releases and the simultaneous online release of new chapters of Rin-Ne by Rumiko Takahashi on ShonenSunday.com. Digital Manga Publishing and Yaoi Press have been offering some of their titles in the Kindle eBook format. NETComics has been offering a pay-per-view model of manga/manhwa publishing for years. And that much-delayed, but still-in-the-works Dark Horse/CLAMP mangettes project promises to offer simultaneous U.S./Japan/Korea publication of new stories by this superstar comics creator collective. It's not exactly "every manga you could ever want to read available to read for free in English the same week as it appears in Japan," but it's a start, and it's darn sure better than nothing.

Publishing manga is not meant to be a "not-for-profit" venture. It's a business, and it's a business that must be profitable to stay alive, much less have money to spend on developing innovative new ways to deliver manga to readers via online or digital distribution.

This announcement means that the manga publishers in the U.S. and Japan are taking a major step toward changing the status quo, and it likely won't be the only change that they'll be making in the months to come.  In any case, it's sure to be interesting times ahead.

But that's my take on it -- what's yours? Add your comments below -- I'd love to hear what you think.

UPDATE:  Here's the list of the 36 Japanese publishers who are part of the Japanese Digital Comic Association:

Akane Shinsha, Akita Shoten, ASCII Media Works, East Press, Ichijinsha, Enterbrain, Okura Shuppan, Ohzora Shuppan, Gakken, Kadokawa Shoten, Gentosha Comics, Kodansha, Jitsugyo No Nihonsha, Shueisha, Junet, Shogakukan, Shogakukan Shueisha Production, Shodensha, Shonen Gahosha, Shinshokan, Shinchosa, Take Shobo, Tatsumi Shuppan, Tokuma Shoten, Nihon Bungeisha, Hakusensha, Fujimi Shobo, Fusosha, Futabasha, France Shoin, Bunkasha, Houbunsha, Magazine House, Media Factory, Leed sha, Libre Shuppan.

Also, check out more commentary on this story from Comics Beat, Robot 6 and Publishers Weekly writer Kai-Ming Cha.

UPDATE 2: And the commentary on this subject keeps on rolling in. Here are two essays that are well-worth reading, from two folks who know a lot about the issues at hand, and are prepared to offer some interesting perspectives, and some bold ideas.

  • Gottsu-Iiyan (a.k.a. Ian) is a professional translator living in Japan. His essay "Moral Relativism and Content Piracy" pretty much offers the most thorough take-down of almost every excuse for making and reading scanlations out there. Even if you feel comfortable with where you stand on scanlation, it's a must-read.
  • Jake Forbes is a manga editor (One Piece, Fullmetal Alchemist) and author (Return to Labyrinth), so he's knows his stuff -- but what's refreshing about his essay, "Dear Manga, A Postscript" is that he's not just pointing fingers -- he's offering some ideas for some very different solutions that, if implemented, could really shake things up.

Image credits: © VIZ Media, © TOKYOPOP, © Yen Press, © Yana Toboso / SQUARE ENIX, © Deb Aoki

Comments

June 9, 2010 at 4:35 am
(1) Anonymous says:

Most scanlators will drop a series once the series becomes licensed.

Unless, of course, the licensed translation is pathetic, like in the case of “Black Butler”.

I refuse to pay for the english version of the series. I have every Japanese volume, even though I can’t read them yet; I read the scanlations but buy the volumes to support the author.

So most scanlation groups are helping make a fanbase for the manga when the manga is eventually licensed for sale overseas. Sure, it means they can read it without buying the Japanese version, but they wouldn’t buy the Japanese version anyway, for the most part.

July 18, 2011 at 1:05 am
(2) Extenze says:

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June 9, 2010 at 5:36 am
(4) Darek says:

Piracy got Anime/Manga to the rest of the world. That we must admit.
But of course piracy makes nobody any money. And the same problems are occuring over the video game industry; Less profits means lower budgets and developers unwilling to innovate for fear that the game will stink. The idea is to stick to what works, and what games those who are willing to pay will buy (and thus the rise of casual gaming).

Same with Anime/Manga. Manga-ka are sticking to what works, and focusing more and more on ecchi/moe/etc because otaku seem to be the only people who buy Anime/Manga now-a-days (or at the very least the merchandise).

I buy my Anime/Manga when it is released in English, but it is extremely frustrating how long it takes for translations to come through when volunteer scanlators who make nothing take less than a day.

I like the idea of an online pay format where translations are done within 24hrs and posted online for the rest of the world. There is a huge market out there; you just need to cut the flow of illegal content and force people onto the pay system. Perhaps a few gimmicks like competitions and a one-stop official board for all the manga series might work.
The big problem with this method is that it would be far too easy for someone to just “Save as” the images and then post them online for free. Even if right-click was disabled on the website, pirates could easily use screenshot-taking software.

As for time taken to get approval from licensors; I think what they should do is start a coalition between US and Japan to get both the English and Japanese versions out there as soon as possible.
Understandably the licensors and publishers have no obligation to the international community – but it should also be clear from a business standpoint that there is a much larger market internationally than in Japan alone.

As for Kindle and other e-readers; how do they work out in terms of DRM? Can you only view the content on Kindle (i.e. can’t view on your computer), or can you view it on your computer too? Unfortunately if the latter is the case then people could easily just save the content or use a screenshotting tool and distribute it.

As for RIN-NE; it seems to be free? I assume the idea is that you only show the latest chapters, and so if you miss out on chapters or want to re-read it then you have to buy it.
Unfortunately that still falls under the problem of screenshotting and illegal distribution.

In the end piracy is exceptionally hard to stop. You spend all that time pursuing one site and another 10 sites pop up in its wake. There is no clear-cut way (if there was the music industry would be rejoicing). The best the industry can do is limit their potential losses by trying to make it socially (in terms of the Anime/Manga scene) unacceptable to pirate, and easing people back into paying for Anime/Manga.

I know it sounds ridiculous; easing people to pay? But unfortunately our society has become such that pirating is the order of the day.

All-in-all the reason why I support the end of piracy (or at least having it greatly reduced) in Anime/Manga and Games is because I want more competition, lower prices and more mainstream exposure to Anime/Manga as well as more variety and innovation.
You can’t get that when nobody is making a profit.

June 9, 2010 at 5:51 am
(5) Anonymous says:

I think that fans brought manga and anime to the foreground in Western countries, I for one, would never have heard of many, many series if it weren’t for scanlation groups. The vast majority of them stop scanlating as soon as a manga becomes licensed and will be distributed in English. Also, scanlation teams are much, much faster than English distributors, they are up to date with Japan’s. I know my local manga shop is behind in most series, their prices are inflated because of the procress of ordering some of the series in. I definitely think it’s unfair that just because English is our native language, we have to bear a financial consequence as well as waiting much longer for releases. If someone were to legally put together a website that was fair to users, as to the authors with licensed manga, I wouldn’t mind paying. Also I, like many other fans are learning Japanese so one day I will be able to read manga in the native language. I mean it’s a lot to do with culture as well, I don’t think I’d be half as aware of Japanese culture, fashion and everyday life and especially the language if manga didn’t have a presence in my life. I guess this just ended up as a ramble, but please don’t take manga away from us unless there’s something going to be done about it instead.

June 9, 2010 at 7:23 am
(6) Jessica says:

(1) Anonymous sounds like one of those bitter fangirls that are angry that Yen Press decided to properly translate Baldo and Chlaus instead of going with the translations used by illegal scanlators.

How someone could call a translation pathetic over maybe three name changes (the title, and two characters) is beyond me.

Yen Press kept nearly everything preserved, down to the color pages, in fact. So (1) Anonymous needs to get over their whining, because it’s unjustified.

June 9, 2010 at 8:40 am
(7) Anonymous says:

@Jessica
#1 Anonymous here. Pathetic is probably too harsh a word, but that’s not what I’m on about at all. The thing that irks me the most is Sebastian’s catch phrase. It was just done so badly. Didn’t catch the wordplay at all. Something like “I’m one hell of a butler” would have at least captured the spirit of it.
… But Baldo is pretty damn stupid.
Male, by the way. Not female.

June 9, 2010 at 10:04 am
(8) Mimi says:

Quite honestly, I do believe the authors and publishers have a right to remove the popular, mainstream manga that is widely read in the U.S. and in Japan. However, what about the manga that isn’t considered popular, is hard to find, is only a oneshot, or will never make it over to the States? A lot of my favorite manga are oneshots or aren’t available in the States. The authors and publishers need to come up with a solution so that fans can still read those titles that may never see American soil.

June 9, 2010 at 1:18 pm
(9) ElfGrove says:

Here’s my general attitude. Manga and anime, much as I love them, are a luxury item not something necessary to life. While you kiddos are correct that people cannot force you to pay for things, or discriminate against your rights to things like air, mutual respect, and public services.

However, because it[manga/anime] is a luxury item, it is not a “right” that you have to get it how and at the price you want. It is a luxury. The concept that anyone owes to simply give it to you is absurd. This is the product of people’s work, and they should be paid for it. What you wish for it to cost has no bearing on what it actually does cost to create and publish in digital or physical formats.

The world is not free. It owes you nothing. And no. Life is not fair. Grow up.

June 9, 2010 at 3:13 pm
(10) Kai says:

I have to disagree with the basic argument against both piracy and the reasoning publishers give for both attacking it, and not supplying what their customers want.

The first, the argument against piracy is basically either naive or willfully ignorant.

1) I haven’t seen the exact numbers for manga, but -everyones- numbers are down, and they’ve been going down for a while. Recessions do not happen overnight.

2) Print/Physical media has been in decline, simply because of the advance of technology. Digital media is on the rise. If you don’t provide media in the form your customers want, you are failing them and asking for a loss of business.

3) The various independent studies (which have actual data, as opposed to the ones put forward by industry which are assumptions and guesses) show that there is a strong correlation between the majority of pirates and increased sales/consumption. (there are a number of them, google is your friend)

4) Trying to shut down sites causes negative backlash, especially when you don’t have legitimate infrastructure in place as an alternative. Not to mention, it will not change the status quo as the legal action takes extensive time most often, and replacements spring up almost immediately.

In regards to it being difficult/not doing things:

1) The costs for providing the media digitally are exaggerated. Effectively, it’s an excuse. Digital infrastructure has some initial costs, but operating costs are a fraction of what’s required for physical media. The problem is they were risk adverse and remain so, and time is required to create those platforms… effectively, they’re blaming their customers for their lack of foresight and inability.
(To say it another way, if a bunch of fans got together and could do it, how the hell is this a valid point for an entire industry? It’s a joke)

2) The various formats part is also, bunk:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Kindle#File_formats
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnes_%26_Noble_Nook#Features
http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/
Or to say it for those who don’t want to click the links, the two most widely used formats are compatible on all three, PDF and ePub.

3) Simultaneous release/translation issues, again this is likely more an infrastructure issue, than anything else. (Translation for that: they’re unsure how to do it and lazy). And saying it like that is perhaps inflammatory, but again this is a ridiculous point. If fans can do, industry can too… you could even partner with them. Crazy? Check out crunchyroll who used to be pirates/fansubbers and now do it for the anime industry, do simulcasts and provide a low resolution service for free (with advertising). It’s possible.

4) Blaming the licensing problems is… If it’s an issue, and it is in fact an issue costing them customers, why would they not streamline the process? How can they complain about what they themselves are doing? Ridiculous.

5) Those who adopted digital platforms early are making money. It’s called an investment. Similarly to how a distribution center is an investment and costs money… but it’s a normal part of doing business. Why anyone in business would possibly cite this as a reason is beyond me.

6) Other industries tried this same approach and gave the same excuses and are suffering because of it (trying to claw back the customers their failures cost them, fighting already established groups, etc) You’d think they’d learn from those past mistakes, rather than repeating them.

I got a bit annoyed writing this response, so my apologies if it comes off as terse. But, as someone in visual media who relies on the same processes to make a living, I am very sick and tired of these excuses being given forward. They’re invalid, and the more time wasted on trying to justify them or treat the symptoms rather than the internal change that is needed, the more harm that occurs to authors and artists.

And maybe that’s business as usual, that publishers aren’t particularly concerned about the artists/authors, but then trying to use them as public relations pawns as “victims of the masses” when their attitude is the cause, is just sick.

June 9, 2010 at 3:43 pm
(11) Alien says:

And someone should remember that the world is not just US or Japan…

June 9, 2010 at 3:58 pm
(12) One manga forum member says:

Agree with above posters, this legal sitch is inevitable; nor do I disagree, it’s common sense.

Just one thing: I’m from the OneManga forums, and I have to say the quotes are skewed. Not everyone there has the “companies suck, gimme gimme” attitude. In fact most of us are just annoyed that the community fostered by the site will die, i.e. the forums. Also, onemanga does indeed remove titles if asked. No probs. understood perfectly.

June 9, 2010 at 4:22 pm
(13) manga says:

The one thing that makes digital distribution especially tricky is the licensing issue. Most licensing agreements are based on getting rights for publication in specific territories/countries and languages. As far as I know (and please, prove me wrong, someone), I don’t know of any specific instance where a publishing company has bought the rights to publish a particular manga title in English for readers worldwide.

This is why readers in Japan, Mexico and a few other countries have their IP addresses blocked from accessing Rin-ne from VIZ Media’s ShonenSunday.com site.

I’m just guessing, but I’d imagine that buying the worldwide digital rights to publish any given manga in every country in the world would be a pretty pricey contract.

Also, given how rampant digital piracy is, my impression has been that Japanese publishers are wary of putting anything up digitally because they fear that it’ll just be copied and disseminated without compensation to the publisher/licensor/creator.

In short, this situation is a LOT more complicated than just “buy out the scanlation sites and charge a subscription fee to read everything.” I know everyone likes to trot out the “but I can’t find manga in my country” argument. But I thought I’d remind y’all that licensing is really, really complicated — if it were easy, don’t you think they’d have a quick fix for this already?

June 9, 2010 at 4:28 pm
(14) John says:

Unlike simulcasting an anime which can’t be seen until the Japanese television network actually airs it, manga magazines are sitting there in a store until they officially go on sale. During that time someone manages to get a hold of one and scans the chapters. In effect fans are getting scanlations for these titles a good several days before they even go on sale in Japan.

Some major retooling would need to happen if they wish to stop piracy such as an end of print and moving to digital distribution.

June 9, 2010 at 4:42 pm
(15) Rand says:

I enjoy the whole “quoting people from forums without permission and relatively out of context” bit. Very professional!

June 9, 2010 at 5:08 pm
(16) Deb Aoki says:

@Rand — As far as I could tell, the comments posted on the forums were public (not private) information. I linked to the original pages where the quotes were found, and invited readers to visit the forums to read the comments in their entirety.

June 9, 2010 at 7:25 pm
(17) Shelly says:

I’m going to borrow from a previous commenter and remind these companies that manga and comics are “luxury items.” They have an audience in the West that knows their products can be translated in hours versus months, so I do hope that, while they go after these sites that are making money, they also figure out a way to keep their audience. Just because little Johnny can’t find it online does not mean he is going to Barnes & Noble to get the latest volume. If anything, it means little Johnny will just borrow Cousin Willie’s copy.

June 9, 2010 at 11:52 pm
(18) death says:

no!!! as if all mangas available in the internet is merchandised/sold here in our country!!! then they sell it on a high price! if that’s the case, then i won’t bother complaining! DDD:

June 10, 2010 at 1:54 am
(19) reader says:

I would like to add a point not covered yet. I live in Greece and here Naruto and One Piece were being published for a short time translated in English. Eventually, i got totally hooked with OP, informed all my friends about the releases and bought every single volume i could find to support the author. However, distribution of the chapters was stopped due to low profits and, if not for the scanslation sites, i would never have found the manga again. I speak japanese and am willing to pay to read my favorite comic, but there are places in the world where translation companies unfortunately doesn’t reach. Therefore the companies should either allow people to buy the manga at least online, so that we can have the volumes in our computers, or sell in stores all around the world (which is practically impossible). Something else to note is that piracy advertises the companies and gives profits more than it takes them away.

June 10, 2010 at 5:12 am
(20) Applez says:

So? “What’s the main point?” is the question u guys are missing here. The issue is free access without permission or company sales product are declining versus free internet access hosting free products, and its a one-sided argument too. The author isn’t stating the facts and opinions from both sides of all involving parties. I just wanted to point that out, don’t stray from your topic of argument. They are not asking for complaints but more like support for this article here, that’s why they wanted you to leave a comment, is what i think. Its sounds like the author is for this, that is why some vital information are not mention in the article, they should have concrete proofs or statistics that support their argument of why sales product are declining, rather than opinions of fans not finding the right materials. It is true though as stated in the article that applications are made to allow further free access on ipods, iphone, ipads etc., because we are a race of growing hunger to further our technology, however, i believe, instead of putting the blame on others, pointing fingers, rather, solve the problem where all parties can be satisfied. I mean to work out a compromise. If not, this issue surely won’t be going anywhere and all is lost. I haven’t come up with a solution myself as of yet but i thought u all should think rationally, re-read the points being made and come up with a solution rather than pointing fingers or complaining. As Martin Luther King, Jr. once proposed to the “white community”, can’t we all live together as brothers? He’s always looking forward for a solution and we all should do the same.

June 10, 2010 at 11:37 pm
(21) FA says:

I’ve thought about this long and hard. The only solution is to SHUT DOWN THE INTERNET!!!

June 11, 2010 at 1:57 am
(22) tbiris says:

My sole problem if this involves shutting down entire sites is the lesser known manga. Some of the ones I do read online haven’t even passed 15 chapters.

I certainly don’t have any problems with licensed manga being taken down, and I honestly buy it later in stores. I haven’t quite caught up to the amount I’ve read online, but I do remember the ones I constantly read and buy them all in stages.

I would also buy the Japanese comics too and go through with my dictionary, but the thought of the import fees scare me.

The only other issue I have is the translations some times. Some publishers are amazing with their translations and keep everything as accurate as they can (down to culture notes at the back) others aren’t quite as thorough. Generally scanners are able to explain the culture notes quite well so I understand a bit more than what the publisher would have gotten to me.

June 11, 2010 at 2:02 am
(23) tbiris says:

It just occurred to me as I posted my last comment that I thought of a manga where permission was actually given to BY the author (of the novel and the manga) to scanners/translators (the novel is being translated as well) for them to provide it to the internet population.

So for every popular title without permission, I just wanted to throw out that there are some out there that do go and ask permission and obtain it.

For those curious, I’m talking about 1/2 Prince.

June 11, 2010 at 3:09 am
(24) FA says:

Heheh. Try importing KnJ or DiTVB – imagine the look of horror if a postal officer were to look inside your manga.

In japan *con is things under 13 (age of consent – though it varies from 13 to 18 across prefectures). in most other parts of the world, it’s anything under 18 – case and point The dangerous cartoons act in the UK. So we can say bye to buying yaoi and yuri with high school characters in it.

and buying yaoi, yuri, seinen, josei – in many countries they are considered pornographic. Online is the only way for people to get their hands on them – paid or otherwise. Until publishers find a way to deliver these contents to adult audience – instead of treating all of us as kids who want to read Pokemon and cliched shojo or shounen manga, enjoy your dropping sales and exaggerated piracy claims.

Change with the times or go under. It’s as simple as that. You can argue that we don’t deserve to get manga fast because it takes time to print and proofread and distribute whereas a bunch of kids with free time can get out a chapter in a matter of hours. You may be patient enough to wait till 2011 for the next Moyashimon volume. The diehard fans will look for it online if they wish. But the majority – they will just stop buying that title and spend their money else where.

what gives? we are not entitled to free. But we want to buy the digital version or have subscriptions online at an affordable price with no geolocation or IP constraints. That’s reasonable.

June 11, 2010 at 6:30 am
(25) FA says:

>Some fans took the news as an opportunity to scold manga publishers for not acting quickly enough to offer online versions of popular manga:

heh. since when did offering suggestions equate to scolding manga publishers?

1. Print on cheaper paper
2. Bring cost to $4 to $10 instead of $10 to $20
3. Don’t americanize and censor words or art to bow 4. down to moralcrusaders, feminazis and soccer moms – shrink wrap and ratings exist for a reason.
4. Offer the digital chapters for free on your website on par with Japanese releases and offer merch with the physical copies – we love merch and it doesn’t cost that much to manufacture.
5. think of your international audience as well – we spend money on what’s available. And we subscribe to anime channels. but we can never get what america gets because of protectionist copyright polices and monopolies.
5. The internet exists. we can’t shut it down. adapt. Have an iTunes for manga where people can but and keep a zip of a chapter for $1 to $2. If it’s cheap enough and accessible enough internationally, people don’t have to turn to stealing.
6. Look at the alexa.com ratings of mangafox and onemanga. Countries outside America are the higher ranks and page views. And calculate the GoogleAd revenues. i heard Mangafox is making $1200 for a day! that’s akin to selling 120 tankobuns a day, 3600 volumes a month! – around $0.438 mill a year.

Last but not the least, Think of the Economy. People are not rich. Most people reading online sites are the global crowd of 13 to 25 y/o demographic that don’t have jobs yet. When they do get jobs, most spend their money on manga, anime and figurines.

Things are not free. But we can’t get our hands on them. or atleast we will never be able to get our hands on them outside of Japan. If we import, we will all be Christoper Handleys – will America ever license KissxSis? I don’t think so. Whether you approve or not is another matter.

There are no easy answers. I buy what i read online and i’d have never found and bought Yotsuba&!, Azumanga Daioh, Otomen, FMA and Ouran Host Club if it weren’t for Mangafox. That’s around $300 dollars of my allowance that the manga industry would have never gained. And think of the thousands of people around the world who do the same as me – read love and buy.

Come up with solutions. Break the “This is not available in your country due to copyright restrictions.” Don’t say we are scolding the publishers. Don’t criminalize the people who offer you free publicity – learn their distribution model and get with the times. We pay for your products. We deserve some love. And we don’t all live in the US of A.

June 11, 2010 at 1:01 pm
(26) Apple says:

Just wanted to mention that MangaHelpers are removing their scanlations and–get this–are opening a site for hosting legal fan translations, called OpenManga.

http://mangahelpers.com/news/details/377

I think this is exactly what a lot of people wanted. It certainly does create a “middle ground” solution.

June 11, 2010 at 1:14 pm
(27) Deb Aoki says:

It sounds promising, but I’ve read through that Open Manga page a few times and am left skeptical for a few reasons. 1) the description of the business model (a.k.a. how this makes money) is somewhat vague.

2) I’m also wondering if any of the “70 artists” and “interested publishers” will ever step forward to be named, and give their endorsement of this project, especially given the announcement of the anti-piracy coalition this week.

I think Johanna Draper Carlson probably said it best today on Twitter:

“I wish people would do the work, THEN make announcements, instead of telling us about how cool it’s *gonna* be.”

Press releases claiming to herald “the future of manga on the Internet” are easy to write. But an actual working product and a viable, credible business plan? That’s a lot harder to pull off. I am in “wait and see” mode for that reason.

June 11, 2010 at 4:43 pm
(28) App says:

Of course, all this ignores those of us outside Japan that enjoy reading in Japanese (both non-Japanese and Japanese abroad). Because frankly, I’ll never buy all the series I read, I simply wouldn’t have the room (I’ve bought enough from my trips to Japan already). As far as translation, they’ve been simulcasting popular anime series on sites like crunchyroll for some time with success. If these sites are that successful that they’re a problem for the manga industry, then clearly their popularity could be an asset. I would think the industry would have learned from the example of the music business. The record industry fought piracy tooth and nail, alienated its economic base and went into steady decline until itunes showed that, yes, people will pay to download. If publishers want to return to profitable days, embrace your fanbase, don’t fight them. Either working with the sites offering this content to help them convert into legal, royalty paying enterprises or starting their own ventures is the only smart solution. There’s a demand for digital manga that is long overdue fulfilling. I don’t think I have a right to manga, but my consumer dollar is open for the manga industry’s taking, if they’re smart enough to offer the product I and other fans are clearly demonstrating a demand for.

June 11, 2010 at 5:34 pm
(29) -Maister- says:

I like the idea of paying for online english scans (as long as the price is reasonable). It would be more profitable for the company and the author. I can’t believe they haven’t thought of it yet.

June 12, 2010 at 10:30 pm
(30) Anonymous says:

Really!! I bought and still buy mangas but cleaning and translation REALLY SUCK I bought Wild Act and not cleaning very well. It’s leave original text(Jap) and put English text on top I can’t read!! I bought Chobits and volume 2 missing i mean MISSING pages more than 10 pages I didn’t notice until I put clear sticker cover on manga which mean I have to re-paying more money for that volume. Not to mention SLOW in translation too. If armature can done fast then they should able to. I mean some do clean and have waaay better quality than those publisher did!! I still buy but only one I really like not randomly like before coz they not doing good job in translate and clean or typsetting too!! It’s not worth to buy. So sorry to say that You publisher REALLY disappoint me very much!! Quality suck yet still sell expensive too!!

June 13, 2010 at 9:59 pm
(31) unknown says:

I myself will probably stop reading manga after all this just like how I have stopped watching anime. I read all the arguments, can see both sides and realize the fans will loose in the end. The industry just cares about money, not the fans. I can’t pay over $10 for something that takes so little time to read and then takes room up on my shelf. What do you do with all the manga you don’t want? I have dozens of manga’s I would love to get rid off, but hate just to give to Goodwill. So now I only buy manga I REALLY want to keep on my shelf and read online ones I just want to read once. Now that will be stopped regardless what people right. Too many sides, too many arguments, and valid points on all sides. In the end, the side with $$ and power wins and the fans will lose.

June 14, 2010 at 7:38 am
(32) Ziggy says:

This is crap! Sure I’d rather buy printed manga, but $10+ a book is too much for me. But when I do buy them, I’ve read them online first! That’s what made me want to buy a certain volume in the first place. Maybe if the books were cheaper, and there was more of a variety, U.S. manga sales wouldn’t be down as much.
People are saying “well just go learn how to read Japanese” it’s a lot easier said then done.
I respect the scantaltors for translating chapters for us the fans. Its by the fans, for the fans. They’re not evening charging money for doing this, so its not like they’re making a profit off of it. In fact, they encourage us to BUY the manga to support the mangaka.

June 14, 2010 at 8:14 pm
(33) silverback1138 says:

I can understand what these companies want. They work hard and each person working there has bills and mouths of feed. Each of us that work, don’t do it for free, so why should they.

At the same time, most scantalation groups don’t do it for profit either. They are manga fans just like anyone. Most of them even state to support the creators and publishers when a manga is licensed. There are many fans here who have even learned to love these series more because of what these groups have done. Many of us have purchased the geniune actual manga volumes or other related merchandise because we were exposed to these series.

I would love to see a PC/Mac digital distribution platform for manga along the lines like Steam/Impulse has done for games. Without the physical media, they could offer it at a more affordable price. Or like they’ve done for manga, why not offer a subscription site like Crunchyroll to start offering manga too. Either pay to purchase the volumes you want or pay a subscription to a site. As long as it’s reasonably priced, many people will pay. I pay $60 annually for Crunchyroll, I would pay the same for the equivalent with a manga site.

June 14, 2010 at 9:37 pm
(34) The History Follower says:

People keep saying things like “if they take down the scanalations how am I suppose to read xxx series.” Well I have a question, why do you have to read that series? I mean do you have a horrible diease that can only be controled by reading manga?
Nothing is making you read manga, you choose to. No one has a right to read it. To me its’ just so selfish to think you are entailed to manga and it has to be the way you think it should be done.

June 15, 2010 at 12:26 am
(35) FA says:

@(32) The History Follower

there is a teeny problem with that. we don’t feel entitled to read manga. we read it because we love it. we buy volumes because we want to support the mangaka. but imagine of millions of people around the world lose interest in manga. there is so much revenue to be lost potentially. con attendances, merch, dvd sales.

fan interest brings a lot of unknown mangaka into the limelight. Same can be said for anime as well. Shows like Durarara!!, Giant Killing, Bleach make their way onto Crunchyroll because fans want them and support them by watching them. Ad revenue is no small fry these days.

we are not entitled to free. but we want easier access as well – via online.

June 15, 2010 at 1:05 am
(36) Seph says:

First of my simple opinion on these notes:

“1) Professionally-written, edited and localized manga translations take time to write and edit.”

Who needs them Professionally if theres teenagers doing this in a week to bring em fresh out the next week why can’t professionals do it in a few days.

2) “It takes time to get approvals from licensors, publishers and manga creators, especially between U.S. and Japan.”

Its true, legal matters do take a while to process but this should be a top priority for them since there just now bring this forth, I been reading manga for years now, around 2003 to be exact, this never seemed to be a problem then, no body cared enough to make a movement like now or if they did they never fully when through with them. They want money there blaming host sites are getting then they gotta work for it.

“3) It takes time for letterers to adapt the artwork, sound effects and typeset the dialogue so it looks great.”

We just want them in English we aren’t asking for perfection, I bet most hate it when they change the original text just because the translators put there own jokes in (Which at times are just plain cheesy).

“5) And let’s not forget the last part: it takes money to make, publish, distribute and sell manga — money to pay the translators, editors, graphic designers, artists, assistants, licensors and printers; just to name a few of the many people it takes to bring manga to you.”

This is the worst point of the four, excuse me for saying. The money there getting is primary from there country of origin, which we can easily point out Japan. Getting it from other countries is extra in my opinion, especially outside of U.S. theres not many that translate manga or anime in other minor language this world has, living where I am now getting a manga is practically giving your days worth of food, they should also take that into account. True there going to stop a few manga sites which are hosting but thats not putting a solution to the problem, thats just putting a cork on a sinking ship. Theres no real solution to the Internet but in my opinion they should work with the existing websites and make them charge for viewing manga of course the money will go to the authors, etc. or other websites not very known would grow with the fall of the current ones.

June 15, 2010 at 1:23 am
(37) manga says:

Hi Seph,

Sorry, i must rebut your rebuttal of my comments. Did you know that it’s pretty expensive to license manga? As Erik Ko of Udon mentioned at the Indie Manga Panel at TCAF, many Japanese licensors ask for all the money up front. This means that even before hiring a single editor, translator or graphic designer, much less a printer or distributor to touch a title, they must put out a good chunk of dough.

Sometimes, I don’t think fans like you appreciate how much money this is, and how much business risk is involved here.

You say, oh, if a group of college kids can whip out a translation in a week for free, why not a bunch of paid professionals? Well, it’s being done now with Rin-Ne by Rumiko Takahashi. I’ve talked with the editors at VIZ who are putting out the new chapters every week, and it’s not an easy undertaking.

Would you be willing to work a 7-day week working on the translation, the online publication, managing the approvals from Japan and still deal with fans who say “that’s fine, but what about all the rest of the manga I could ever want to read in this world? Why aren’t you doing the same for every single manga that your company puts out?” I’d do a face palm too.

May I suggest you read this essay by Ian (Gottsuiiyan), a professional translator living in Japan, and you get back to me after you do.

http://www.gottsu-iiyan.ca/gib/index.php/2010/06/10/moral-relativism-and-content-piracy

I learned a bunch from his perspective and I think you will too.

June 15, 2010 at 2:59 am
(38) Seph says:

Alright first on this comment “Did you know that it’s pretty expensive to license manga?” Who is the manga originally for, its home country where it would gain the money for those costs.

About money, money is hard to gain in this world, true we aren’t all millionaires, what I fail to see is there lack of sense in this issue, manga gain popularity throughout the world through the Internet, it would only be logical it would gain money from the world if it played its cards right like any other mass production, take automobiles for example in the early 1900′s or even Hollywood which is going in the same direction.

Now from my personal view and my main point in this, okay great so they take out 30+ main online manga sites is not really solving anything, just like torrenting or music downloads, its just a temporary relief and more piracy pops up and nothing has been done. Which brings me back to something I stated, why are they now trying to do something about it, read what you said about Rin-Ne “Well, it’s being done now” so what happened to those 5+ other years, or the 20+ years that manga/anime started become famous outside its own country.

http://www.anigamers.com/2010/05/editorial-question-for-fansub.html

“Nobody denies that fansubs served a useful (if not exactly necessary) purpose in the 1980s and 1990s, when fansubbers brought over series that fans would probably never get to enjoy.”

I thank you for the information but its not really giving me a step to go forth on this topic it justs makes more questions like, why do fansubs still exist? Now you can keep saying I’m just another fan mad about this, not really, I would love a shelf full of manga I can support but like I said in my current country I can get popular mainstream but what about the others they let me read up to now. I can see each point in this, I’m an aspiring artist who wants to sell my works, sadly I won’t be paid where I live and so I’m forced to work in other jobs due to piracy but its really a corrupt unfair world. Why not let the fan-sub’ers continue there work and gain money from them at the end there doing it for free no? There could be greater more legal plans but sadly I’m not a lawyer or a huge CEO… Well this is all for my part in this topic if the websites will be taken down I can only hope they plan to bring the series up in other ways.

June 15, 2010 at 9:22 pm
(39) Esa says:

I really don’t mind if they shut down the scanlation sites as long as they can provide a sound alternative for us fans who are waiting for weekly scanlations of our favorite mangas. I’m totally out of my mind already waiting for the weekly release of One Piece, so I guess I’ll just turn crazy if they’re going to make me wait for months.

If they can provide a ‘legal’ scanlation a few hours after the Japanese release, just like what the scanlators are currently doing, with good translations (no changing of names, no cuts, no stupid edits, no westernization of the Japanese culture, use the original japanese language for some significant words – ‘nakama’ in One Piece, the fighting techniques, etc…)… then fine. I’m willing to pay. I even buy volumes of some of my favorite mangas. But it’s also quite disappointing that even if these publishers pay a lot of money to license mangas, they are not doing a good job with the translations. Honestly, many of the fan scanlations are better than the licensed ones, because these are done by people who truly appreciate and understand the manga.

June 16, 2010 at 11:28 pm
(40) Cookie says:

As a young reader with NO money, I’m all for backing off how manga on the internet is right now. I used to save my money to buy the manga that was available. However, usually the translations that manga publishers provided were complete crap.
I first bought manga from the bookstore and was overjoyed if I ever got to read all of one series. Unfortunately, there was never enough supply and I would usually just end up reading it online. If manga publishers really wanted a boost in their sales, i suggest they should do a better job in pleasing the customers

June 17, 2010 at 10:06 am
(41) Emi-chan says:

I live in Pakistan and over here there aren’t any manga available. If manga would be available here I will surely buy it. The only way by which I can read manga is on manga hosting sites. If the manga will be removed from these sites I can’t read it.

June 18, 2010 at 5:44 am
(42) Couryielle says:

This is so wrong.

Don’t get me wrong – I fully understand the reason why they want to do this, but as a die-hard anime/manga fan who flunked out of school due to poverty, manga-hosting sites are real life-savers.

Many people don’t have space in their budget to insert manga, so they start clinging to manga-hosting sites as a means of obtaining their much needed desired and awaited scanlations. they may even start talking about mangas to those people who could afford to buy, so it’s a well pointed out point that manga-hosting sites (and fangirls like us) help advertise titles that might have been otherwise relatively unknown.

I hope this is all just a bad dream that I’m about to wake up from, so I can continue reading Nabari no Ou, Kuroshitsuji, Pandora Hearts, etc…

June 20, 2010 at 12:13 am
(43) Hito says:

I agree. Now don’t get me wrong, I perches manga as much/often as I can afford. But “Scanlation” sights
1) tend to keep from directly scanning US manga onto their sights.
2) Most reasonable people get manga when it comes out in US.
3) The manga on “Scanlation” sights tends to be weeks+ ahead of US release (call it reading ahead)

June 20, 2010 at 12:18 am
(44) Hito says:

P.S.
“Go back two years and track these sites and you’ll find an inverse relationship between the rise of traffic on these scanlation sites and the decline in U.S. manga sales,” said Kurt Hassler, publishing director of Yen Press and a former graphic novel and manga buyer for Borders Books and Music.

Hello!!!
we are in a depression of course sales went down dum ***

June 20, 2010 at 7:31 am
(45) DarnItAll says:

As I live in the Philippines, finding bookstores that actually sell manga is a hard task. I went to a popular bookstore once and I saw that it only sells about 5 unupdated manga consisting of 1 volume each. The only title I was familiar with was xxxHolic and it was volume 16. The price was quite expensive for only 1 volume but I’m still able to afford it. However I didn’t buy it since I don’t see a point in buying a book if the story isn’t completed and will probably never be updated anyway. If those publishers did succeed then I guess I’ll just quit manga since I have no choice. Those manga sites are the only reason why I’m still able to see updates of my favorite mangas.

June 20, 2010 at 7:36 am
(46) DarnItAll says:

Btw, I know xxxHolic wasn’t included in those mangas which were (temporarily/permanently) removed from mangafox.

June 20, 2010 at 11:28 pm
(47) RebWaters says:

You may say speed and quality do not mesh but in they can cooperate…. If the scanlators, or editors if you wanna call them like that, are dedicated enough to release the chapter in half the time between releases, aka if the Original release is weekly, the editors might release the edited version of the chapter in 3 to 5 days… SO IMHO that’s not an excuse to make Edited versions slower…

Of course that’s only possible if the RAW is received right after being released… but well.. let’s see what happens next…

June 23, 2010 at 2:23 am
(48) Sabrina says:

“It takes time to get approvals from licensors, publishers and manga creators, especially between U.S. and Japan.”

This is a reason that many prefer free mangas. Readers of such want things that they can’t have. For example, in some mangas there are certain drawings of the mature type llike gore and violence, nudity, sexuality(gay,young body but adult age—> Vampires). Some likes it to be realistic(gore & violence,gay) and some likes it to be of fiction(Vampires. Being old in age but in a young body).

If they’re gonna do this then they should put back the favourite animes on T.V. without much of the re-runs. It is understandable that it needs time to translate such animes but doing, say, 10 current Japan time animes to be broadcasted for specific days so that for that specific days that they are running is that there are animes being translated and stuff at the same time.

People should meet together instead of making hasty decisions or being immature by just lashing out. There are people who are worse off the the other so people should just be greateful and count their blessings.

June 24, 2010 at 10:41 pm
(49) Evan Minto says:

OK guys, here’s the deal: Manga is a business. Manga companies are in the business of making money. There are lots of people (don’t deny it — you know it’s true) who don’t buy manga simply because it’s available for free online. That said, manga companies kind of would prefer those people to be buying that manga.

So, maybe I’m crazy, but as far as I see it, they have a right to protect their intellectual property — yes, by shutting down sites if need be. If you live in a country that doesn’t get a lot of manga releases, well that’s kind of tough luck. Maybe people in your country can band together to translate manga into your native language, and thus create a demand for official manga translations (y’know, the way we did it here in the US). Because, let’s be honest, these English-language sites exist to provide manga for mostly American visitors, who already have a business structure for manga in their country.

And if you don’t have the money to afford manga, again, tough luck. It’s a business. Just like cars, computers, Internet service, or any other business, if you don’t have the money, you do without. Yeah, maybe manga is too expensive, but if that high price cuts into sales, companies will be forced to drop sales to entice more readers like you. Without scanlation sites, you will have to actually GIVE UP reading manga (*gasp!* like a…REAL boycott?) in order to protest what you see as bad business practices.

Manga is not a god-given right, so stop going around parading your self-righteous excuses for why you’re stealing someone’s content.

June 25, 2010 at 8:18 am
(50) Random says:

So it comes down to what? One side saying that these hosting sites are causing sales to go down while the other side says it’s causing them not to be able to read the manga they want since it was not avaliable in their country. At last? Either some of the fans may be gone or not or sales for mangas may go down even more. So where does the arguement comes down to? If they wanted more sales, they should come up with a better idea to earn money right?

I hope my comment dosen’t offended anyone out there.

June 30, 2010 at 8:11 am
(51) Yoshi says:

“It takes longer for authorized versions of translated manga to get published in the U.S. because

Professionally-written, edited and localized manga translations take time to write and edit.
It takes time to get approvals from licensors, publishers and manga creators, especially between U.S. and Japan.
It takes time for letterers to adapt the artwork, sound effects and typeset the dialogue so it looks great.
And let’s not forget the last part: it takes money to make, publish, distribute and sell manga — money to pay the translators, editors, graphic designers, artists, assistants, licensors and printers; just to name a few of the many people it takes to bring manga to you.”

No. There’s a site that I can go to which can get me the newest, Bleach, Naruto and One Piece today. Not tomorrow, not two months from now, not later on. Today. A volume of manga is usually about 8 chapters. That’s 8 weeks without manga. A volume also costs (USA) about 10 bucks. What’s that like 1.50 every week? I’m willing to pay for my manga, I always have been. I just want to read it at the same time the Japanese do. Paper or Online I don’t mind paying for it, I just want to read it weekly (or at least bi-weekly).

If they offer it weekly then they’ve opened a huge market where people can constantly buy their product and they can constantly make revenue. If they don’t tailor to that market then too bad. If they REALLY want to make money, they’d release it weekly. By not releasing it weekly in the USA, you’re basically approving the scanalation teams you don’t like.

It’s as simple as supply and demand. There is a HUGE demand for it, but they are not willing to supply.

So I say tough luck to them. Scanalation sites are not going to die. It is as simple as someone buying it in Japan, uploading it on to their comp and attaching those files in an email. Have a good time trying to track that.

July 1, 2010 at 7:38 am
(52) Yoshi says:

BTW I did get my high quality manga this morning around one.

:)

July 10, 2010 at 2:36 pm
(53) lastmirror says:

Scanlations and FanSubs were and are my english teachers. I missed 1 year in school to learn english and had to catch up with others with my 12 years life experience :D . Well, what I want to say is that I succeeded and was better in English than any other of my classmates. After reading a scanlation or watching a fansubbed anime, I could exchange thoughts and arguments with other english-speakers and improve my English at the same time. Why won’t I learn Japanese the same way? It’s because you don’t need it at school or in some foreign country except Japan. But watching Anime with fansubs teachs you some Japanese as well and you also develop some feeling to the language. Something you can’t understand but feel and guess what it might mean.

I did some experiment with my cousin, showing him a fansubbed anime though he wasn’t really interested. After some minuted he could understand the subs although he never learned english at school or somewhere else. He just got the grisp of it :D . I’m sure if he were to read a manga, he would improve his English a lot :) but he is not really a manga/anime fan^^.

The best solution here that i read is to publish the series online at the same time as the Shonen Jump and I would pay for it.

July 22, 2010 at 4:46 am
(54) Helen says:

I agree with (39). In the end, it’s the fans who lose. If they shut down the scanlation sites, I will probably just a) stop reading manga and spend my time doing something else, or b) start using the illegal sites which no doubt will pop up. The manga selection in my country are very very poor. They have barely any good mangas, and when they do, it costs $20 a book. If I buy a long series (20+ volumes) it’ll cost over $400. I’m not willing to pay $400 for manga. So most probably, I will just stop reading manga and start gaming or doing something else.

July 22, 2010 at 5:58 am
(55) ..... says:

if i couldn’t find the manga i read any more i would probably stop all together because if i were to buy all the ones i read which is like 30 or more that would cost me so much and in australia it’s hard to find any place that would sell them too.

July 22, 2010 at 8:17 am
(56) Fck you manga publishers says:

I REALLY HATE WHAT YOU PEOPLE DID!!!11
Are you guys just a bunch of losers who only care about money?
Where the hell do you think people from other countries are gonna read manga now huh? I mean ok fine you sell in US and Japan but what about people who are in other country? Where do we get manga from? You mean to tell us that we should stop reading manga and being an anime fan now?

Well you are just too late for that you see!
Half of the popularity your manga got is because of the online reading! if it werent for us people they wouldnt even have been known you bet! so if you are thinking of releasing new series keep that in mind.

And I really hope you people die a painful death as well.

July 22, 2010 at 1:35 pm
(57) serene says:

I myself have some problems with this kind of work. Disabling sites isnt oke in my eyes.
When they distribute series that have been discontinued like for example yureka/id entity. great manga but tokyopop suddenly decided to quit with this so in my eyes it should be availible to all those that bought the 12 volumes and wanted to read the rest. Like myself.
Or when they distribute series that will never be translated officialy like for example Mx0. A great serie that wasnt well recieved in japan but had a huge following in amerika.
If a site would distribute series that dont include these than i could understand sutting those parts down but not the hole site.

July 22, 2010 at 4:46 pm
(58) going the wrong direction says:

this would be a great idea if so many people didnt rely on these site to see what they want to buy like my self i read Hayate no Gotoku (also known as hyate the combat butler) online and loved it so i went out and bought all of the manga volumes up to date in america.

This will end up stopping alot of potential sales for people who sample series or simply want to find a new one that is possibly to obscure to find anywhere else.

as well as alot of american published books of ongoing series are far behind japanese like bleach which is about 200 chapters behind and while ive read bleach to where
is now scanlated to on OM i still buy the books when they come out in america.

also there are alot of manga that just arnt in other countries which are really good but only in japaneese that people can only know about because places like OM and manga fox have then but they dont have publishers
or the old series that arnt made any more but are nontheless wanted.

July 23, 2010 at 2:15 am
(59) Chris says:

I understand where publishers are coming from and I know that pirating is wrong. However, there are just some people who can’t really afford to buy comics or manga, especially with financial issues worldwide right now. Don’t take my words the wrong way or get angry at what I say, but there are people who don’t have jobs or money to put out every time there is a new issue of said comic/manga that comes out. they should also understand that there are sites that are willing to remove content according to publishers and Licenser saying so. Take onemanga.com (One of my favorite scanlation sites to read up to date manga) for example. They would upload manga for readers to view for free. However, if they saw that the manga was licensed, they would remove the content and ask for the websites viewers to support their releases.

I know reading comics/manga isn’t a God given right (in my opinion, who ever says that about us manga/comic readers is most likely arrogant.) Then again, who ever said it really was? It’s just something we enjoy doing because it relaxes us, it entertains us, it take our minds off the troubles we have to deal with in reality. It offers us characters that we ourselves can probably relate to (not to sound like a nerd. Btw, nerds rule!) If it were up to me I’d personally would like to see the authors/publishers and owners of the website come into an agreement and put a subscription fee on the site (nothing too expensive though because that would scare people away. Something like $10/mo. I mean come on $10/mo for every comic/manga you want to read all in one place? I’d pay for it.) That’s just my take on it.

July 23, 2010 at 2:18 am
(60) callie says:

Manga publishers don’t really have the right to put ALL the blame of their sales decline on online scanlations alone. Such actions are simply their way of pointing finger at others without trying to do anything to correct their own faults, as there are clearly several other reasons for such decline. For example, some of the publishers isn’t exactly providing very high quality translation. Some translations are pathetically done and completely outdone by fan-translation, who can sometimes do a more impressive job. Most of the manga fans are probably teenagers who are still studying and certainly do not have their own income. And parents generally do not really encouraged these habits, preferring their children to read more solid and useful material. So naturally, none of us would want to spent our precious savings on a badly done piece of work.

Besides, by actively bringing down all these scanlation, it will inevitably reduces the exposure of the community towards manga (especially new series), which i think could NOT possibly be good for the sales either. As an active manga reader, most of my friends and I tend to spend some time scouting for interesting series on online manga reading sites before we decided to commit to a series and buy all the volumes. Without these scanlations, we probably would never purchase any of the manga that is currently in our collection! Buying manga is not cheap, some series can span up to 30 volumes or more!!!

And clearly, i don’t even need to touch on the late timing and the lack of accessibility of manga (especially in certain countries).

July 23, 2010 at 2:25 am
(61) Chris says:

I also forgot to mention that is is because of onemanga and mangafox that these publishers get their fan base. If it wasn’t for these sites i wouldn’t know about KHR (Katekyo Hitman Reborn) or other great series.

July 23, 2010 at 8:50 pm
(62) Bobby says:

The problem with Authorized translations of manga is because they can be incorrectly translated, needlessly “localized”, and professional writers really don’t know the material.

July 23, 2010 at 10:08 pm
(63) tim farris says:

so if it supposedly takes all this money to put out manga faster, then how in the hell did people who run websites like one manga and don’t have tons of money, still put out great and well translated scans.

July 24, 2010 at 1:08 pm
(64) Akshay says:

The translations provided by scanlators are not done by professionals, but they still look good. And there are people out there who are willing to pay in order to read manga online. Also, these sites sometimes bring notice to certain lesser known series’ which have not even been translated into English by professionals.
Also, in many places where people have access to PC’s and internet connection, these manga may not be available, in which case the reader’s will have only 2 options.
1. To import the manga volume, or get someone they know to bring it from somewhere, or
2. To stop reading manga completely.
There are also many sites which try to make a profit by posting these free scanlations, and then asking people to pay a membership fee.
Although I agree that these sites should be shut down, I don’t understand why other sites should be shut down as well. Many of the people who read manga online also buy the volumes of their favorite manga from bookstores. I live in India, and have no local access to volumes of manga, but I still try to get as many volumes of manga as I can.
Another thing I don’t understand is that although these sites have been around for a long time, why is it that the publishers decided to shut them down now??? They could have done this years ago and saved themselves a lot of trouble.
Yes, the authors do have a right to protect their intellectual properties, which in this case is manga. But isn’t it also true that there is a large number of people who started reading and buying manga only due to these sites??? Considering that, shouldn’t the publishers be more supportive of these sites????
IMO, the publishers are just shutting down these sites now because of the recession. If the recession was not taking place, then manga sales would still be about the same, and they probably wouldn’t be shutting the sites down.
Instead of stopping people from posting manga series’ online, I believe that the publishers should come to some sort of agreement with scanlators, and continue to provide us with these series’ online at sites that they endorse. In fact, they could even make the sites membership only, and ask the sites to give them a cut of the money.
Shutting down the sites will not guarantee a rise in the sales of manga. As I said before, the main reason that there are not as many sales as before is mainly because of recession, and due to the availability of free manga online. However, this does not mean that if the sites had been shut down before hand that the sales would still be constant. There is even a possibility that the sales may have gone down even further than they have now because there would not be as many people reading manga as there are now.
If these sites are shut down, not only is there a possibility of a large number of people boycotting these manga, but there is also a large chance that the increase in the number of manga readers will start falling, which will therefore pull down the sales of manga (as compared to the increase in sales which might have taken place had there been people able to read online)
In conclusion, I just want to say that I hope that the scanlators, series’ hosters and publishers will be able to come to some sort of agreement.

July 24, 2010 at 6:15 pm
(65) Ellen says:

Alright I know that viewing manga online is illegal.
The thing is that there is too big a lapse between Japanese manga books and Translated English manga books. Seriously, if the english LEGAL translation could kick it up a notch and not be 2+ volumes behind that would be great.
Most people want to get the story ASAP whether it is legal or not. They want to know what happens next. It doesn’t help that the legal english translation is so far behind the japanese.

I for one am trying to learn japanese, but after this would this attack raws being distributed through the internet?

Paying for manga online is something I would actually do as long as they sell gift cards in actual stores because I don’t have a credit card.

Although scans on the internet are being yanked, people still find ways to not pay.
1. Library (this goes for any book)
2. I’ve seen people go to a bookstore, pick a book, and read.

I’ve wanted to get the manga legally because I hate having to access it illegally, but it seems the only way I can read so far into a story is illegally.

July 24, 2010 at 7:08 pm
(66) Angela says:

“Gottsu-Iiyan (a.k.a. Ian) is a professional translator living in Japan. His essay “Moral Relativism and Content Piracy” pretty much offers the most thorough take-down of almost every excuse for making and reading scanlations out there. Even if you feel comfortable with where you stand on scanlation, it’s a must-read.”

Well, now, I understand if you have your own opinions, but try not to make your article so utterly biased. I mean, thorough? Don’t make me laugh. The whole essay basically translates to “I don’t care what your excuse is, either suck it up or move to Japan.” While scanlations are indeed illegal, there’s a difference between countering the excuses with adequate reasoning, and simply telling the fans that if they want their manga, they should just all get into a jumbo jet and migrate to Japan. That’s hardly a valid alternative.

July 25, 2010 at 7:58 am
(67) Anononon says:

Because apparently, even if you PAY for the LICENSE, the permission from THE MAN THEMSELVES to scanlate the manga, it’s still piracy.

July 25, 2010 at 10:49 am
(68) Ginga says:

The argument that nobody would buy a manga series because it isn’t free is faulty. Yes, everyone likes free things. I do too. But I do buy manga. In Asia. I buy several series in Taiwan, then go through all the trouble to lug it back to the states (since I live there). It would definitely be easier for me to buy the manga in the states, but I don’t.

Why?

A volume in Taiwan costs an average of $3. It’s 3 to 4 times more in the US: $10 + TAX, which equals to maybe $10.80 where I live. Seriously. If I followed a series like Naruto or Bleach, I’d be spending well over several hundred dollars. And to the hardcore manga fans like me who follow multiple series? Thousands. And not even a regular paperback book is that expensive. Doing this isn’t fair to the people who can’t read another language, or people who live in other countries who rely on scanlation sites because shipping is slow and their publishers aren’t in the manga industry.

Not to mention that the scans are slow, the translations are bad, and the quality of the american volume is much worse than the original ones. Compare an original volume of Ranma 1/2 to a Viz volume. Rumiko Takahashi’s trademark watercolor and background shading is pretty much gone. The paper quality is worse, too. And they still price it at ten bucks.

People do buy manga. And they will, if it’s cheaper. It’s the companies who are greedy and corrupted. Typical corporate behavior.

The problem lies with the companies, not with the scanlation or hosting sites. Most people actually use the hosting sites to find manga they like and buy the US version. They don’t buy it first, because that might be a waste if the series is awful.

I don’t know what else to say. I think sales should go back to the mangaka, since we ARE pirating by hosting and translating, but american publishers are being ridiculous. If they were actually reasonable, they would stand to earn lots of profit and not resort to such petty tricks like getting the Japanes publishers to help them shut down hosting sites who are just fans trying to help fans.

Graphic novels are getting pretty popular, and they would be even more if they knew how to go at it.

And actually, there are much more manga hosting sites in China and Taiwan. Nobody complains there. You know why? Most people don’t like going online for their manga in asia. It’s a pain. Why look online when you can rent it for 20 cents a volume nearby? Convenient, and mostly everyone likes having the actual copy in their hands.

So…the America publishers are idiots. Nothing new. ._. If they’re pointing fingers, they might as well point it at the mirror.

July 25, 2010 at 11:52 pm
(69) Kat says:

I’m a manga fan that up to this point relied on sites like MangaFox, oneManga and so forth to read series that I enjoyed. Like many others I have no problem paying for series I like when I have the money. Unfortunately that is not very often. So while I admit originaly I was upset by the notion of this action being taken being able to cool down for a bit I understand it needs to be done.

What I enjoyed most however about these websites was having a wide variety of manga easily accessible. It provided a chance for me to look into series that I wouldn’t of heard of otherwise and let’s face it most people wont pay for a series they don’t know if they’ll enjoy. Also these sites would be able to get English translated scanlations in the same week as Japan would get their stuff.

What would be nice to see is a website that had the variety of MangaFox where you can select a manga from company and read it. If a new series could come out the first chapter would be free to read so it provided a chance for readers to determine if that particular series is something they wish to follow. Following chapters would need to be paid for. Another possibility is that for new artist to post their work and have “by donation” system until it got popular and then at the point be able to put it on a “buy by chapter/volume” system.

An advantage in doing a system like this is giving new authors exposure to the world. It would also cut down on the time it would take to ship series and reduce the cost publishing companies would have to pay in printing and so on.

However that’s just an idea of mine and certainly one that would not be favoured by everyone. I will honestly say though until I see a system that is more efficient to obtain manga then what we have at this time. I will continue to rely on the internet to get my “fix” by whatever means I can (with in reason of course).

July 26, 2010 at 3:30 am
(70) chris says:

After reading this news i feel as if both arms have been cut off… i read a lot of manga but always feel guilty reading for free so i end up donating to keep the site maintained, if I could pop down the local comic store and buy the latest releases I would do this but I have to wait a good few months before I get the out of data chapters! What i want to see happen is being able to subscribe to a website this money then goes to the publishers, but it would have to be ad a reduced price well the publishers won’t be using any materials as it will be all digital so it will only need to be updated once, if this could be implemented in some of the biggest manga sites ( such as onemanga ) I’m sure that 90% of that community if they really love manga would do so, with this it would also save the community that also loves manga

July 26, 2010 at 4:30 am
(71) Anonymous says:

If this is only for the States and Japan…. Then how about the rest of the world?? I mean there are different places elsewhere that can’t even get a single manga due to the fact that they don’t sell in those places!

ex. Southeast Asia excluding Japan, etc.

I know they want to stop piracy! But see, several people are only able to get their specified manga in the States and in Japan but how about us?? We reside somewhere in S.E Asia but we can’t get any manga!! Because they don’t sell it here! It would be better if they can sell it worldwide!! **** this ********!!

July 26, 2010 at 5:43 pm
(72) plm_cr says:

I would gladly support the authors of the mangas I like, but because of the place I live (Central America) its not possible to get the mangas were they come. If online scanlations were to stop, if I want to read Naruto, or Bleach, I have to wait for around 2-3 months. Having to stop reading them on a weekly basis to read bi-monthly ( In the best of cases) would certainly make me loose interest. Just as Elfgrove says, manga is not necessary for living, so we would have to learn to live without it. There are no autorized distributors here, so the mangas available in the area are very random. That’s said, of course of the manga I already like. In the case I’m looking for something new to read, I wouldn’t buy anything just because of the cover. Whit things going the way they are, It looks like the market for manga would be closing to just USA and Japan.

July 26, 2010 at 11:02 pm
(73) Rea says:

It’s not a surprise this is happening, we all knew it was going to happen sooner or later. However, we can all see the merit in online scanlation. For many people it isn’t possible to access these manga or the mangas are extremely expensive in their country. Additionally many of the mangas aren’t translated until much later or aren’t even picked up by the main stream companies.

It is undeniable that scanlations groups do help promote mangas and has helped create a trend. It has brought interest to these illustrated works from foreigners outside of Japan. I’m not sure if it’s really beneficial or realist to ban all scanlation sites.

Many online readers are willing to pay for mangas however is the price they put fair and reasonable, that is questionable. Both parties have valid points but to completely try to eliminate scanlation sites is like trying to cure a symptom and not getting to the root of the cause. Scanlation sites wouldn’t have be created or be in high demand if it wasn’t due to something. And publishers have to open their eyes and ears and truly be able to reslove their loss in profit.

Mangas have brought joy, laughter and entertainment to many people of all ages. Mangas create a world of free imagination and hopefully this restrictive action won’t end bitterly because of one groups’ self interest.

July 27, 2010 at 5:58 am
(74) tease says:

I wish the big companies didn’t edit so much of the original content to match their target in the US. Manga is seen as childish and only for children so they are majorly edited to be kid friendly here in US.

Case in point, Japanese edition of Naruto had an infamous scene suggesting gay relationships by showing two male characters, naked and almost embracing.

Viz’ English version of the same content had the whole thing in profiled black. You could see what it is but they still edited it to the point that the joke turned stupid.

They also screw up so many catch phrases by just choosing translations that don’t match the emotion or mood of the page.

Also, so many manga that are a hit in Japan never make it to the US because it doesn’t match the supposed market of manga.

Natsume Yuujinchou is an example of this. It was a hit in Japan, enough of a hit to have two seasons of anime. The manga doesn’t have the beautiful artwork or love story that is almost necessary for shoujo manga to be published in the US. The story is beautiful but mostly aimed at late teenagers, not the children that US distributors believe consumers are.

Without scanlation, many manga gems would never be seen by markets other than Japan. The ones that do make it in American market are usually action-packed shounen (like the Big Three) or something that feeds on the recent American fad (Vampire Knights). More philosophical titles like Natsume Yuujinchou would never see the lights of day in the face of US inclinations and fads.

July 27, 2010 at 12:34 pm
(75) .. says:

I have been a manga fan for as long as I can remember.
Telling fans to “suck it up” or “get over it” won’t stop them.

July 28, 2010 at 3:19 pm
(76) Hana says:

I know it is bad for the author and the publishing companies, those mangas have fans all around the world, including places that don’t actually sell them. Some people just need those manga sites to read the manga they want, and it’s not because they don’t want to buy it, but because they can’t. For example, I live in Brazil, and the only popular mangas here that I can find are Naruto, Bleach and D.Gray Man (maybe One Piece, but I haven’t seen that around). I’d have to wait years to read Reborn!, Dengeki Daisy, Kaichou-wa Maid-sama, or even Kuroshitsuji (Black Butler), because they’re either new, they’ve not been licensed or not all that popular here yet. And they probably won’t EVER sell some manga, like yaoi or yuri.
I’d buy all mangas I want to read if they sold it here, but they don’t. Or I could buy them from the internet and start supporting the artist now, but I’m a minor, so I can’t, and I’m not the only one who’s having this type of problem. I seriously really do want to buy the mangas, as I like to have them near me (I bought Ouran High School, and Princess Princess, for example), but it’s not like they’re available anywhere near Brazil (at least not enough so I don’t need to take a plain to buy them).

July 29, 2010 at 10:43 am
(77) Anoynoumus says:

I know that mangaka’s go through a heck of a lot of trouble just to make manga and that it’s not fair that most readers can read this manga for free, but we also go through a heck of a lot of trouble to buy the manga we want and sometimes the manga we want aren’t even there. I think that’s why our so-called “scanlators” came up with the desicion to post up this manga so that everyone can enjoy. This “manga piracy” has been going on for a long, long time and shutting down all the manga would cause a bigger uproar of huge manga fans that would probably contribute to a lot of lawsuits and loss of money. Don’t just think about free manga and the manga artists that go through their trouble (but, we all greatly appreciate those manga artists who make the manga we love) and how they don’t benefit as much of it, but what about those “hard-core manga fans” that would probably cause even a bigger uproar that’ll probably result to a large problem world-wide. Here is another example, look at all the outrages we already have in forums in Mangafox and Onemanga. This is already a huge problem. So, I’m here to support the idea of fast scanlations but with minimal pay such as OpenManga.

July 29, 2010 at 11:28 pm
(78) wolfy says:

come on i am some one whose in Egypt and doesn’t have any manga translated or other wise in at least the 1000 km around me if they want to make good money to stay in business i am supporting that but they should make a translated version on net even if we have to pay(thought not too much money since most of the fans are teenagers with almost no income) until then they shouldn’t banned any thin … i love manga and want to be to read it please

July 30, 2010 at 8:57 pm
(79) Dominique says:

I love manga… the problem that I have is that I live in Costa Rica (central America) and we don’t have a library that sells mangas or only sell really famous mangas (like Naruto), there are almost no Shoujo. There are some people shops that sell mangas, but is almost three times more expensive that USA (because they want profit) and only have the super popular mangas also…

I will support if there is a website like pay-per-view that I pay some money per month… also there are mangas like kuroshitsuhi that we are in the chapter 47 and USA is only beginning with the first one.

Thanks that I could read the online manga I want to have it (when is available in USA), but how to get it? My best friend only go to USA once per year and now the airlines companies only let people have 23 Kg… I wanted to see if I can order it online, but is really complicate.

The last time I was in USA (three years ago) I was surprised to see in a library a section only for mangas, I buy some mangas that I was reading online and in USA there is already all the collection.

I don’t want to stop reading manga, but if there is no online manga anymore I can’t read them anymore… please think on the people that don’t live in USA, France and Japan (I know french and I have all Sailor Moon in French and a lot of Conan detective in french also, but is impossible to get them from my family, if have problems to get BD, I have more problems to get mangas).

Please think of the people that can’t get the mangas but in online.

August 2, 2010 at 12:34 am
(80) annonymous says:

I believe that what they are doing is in the best interest of the manga industry as a whole, but the problem with shutting down these scanlation sites is that people in countries where jumps are not available will not have access to any of the manga what so ever. At the very least manga companies could scan and translate their own manga and make it available for online reading at a fee(therefore everybody around the world will be able to enjoy manga and manga companies will not suffer any loss).
By doing this the manga industry could further expand its market and its fanbase.

August 11, 2010 at 9:23 am
(81) worldSoSuck says:

what next? they will ban Anime Fansub!

August 12, 2010 at 12:18 pm
(82) shawn says:

Man forget it, I will pay for my online manga. If it keep titles like “High School Of the Dead” coming in english I don’t give a damn.

August 16, 2010 at 1:13 pm
(83) whyisthishappening says:

I gotta admit I love reading online….cause my local bookstore does not carry manga, so I can’t be an ‘honest fan’ and buy when I can. If I bought manga from sites like Amazon, or a bookstore that actually has manga, each volume’s like $10.

Let’s take a series like Bleach, for example. So there’s like 47 volumes (just an estimate) of Bleach out right now (idk if all are already translated in english). And in case the mangaka can’t do math that’s around 500 bucks plus tax if I wanna buy that stuff. Hell theres no way I’ll spend $500 on just Bleach. That’s why I read online for free cause I dnt got no money tree in my backyard.

August 25, 2010 at 9:45 am
(84) random 7 says:

i dont know what all this is about.am just a kid who lives in AFRICA!there are no bookshops that sell manga!not many people even KNOW what it is out of our population of 23-24 million only about 500,000 know of it-maybe even less…a few of us who do try our damnest 2 convince our friends 2 get interested,thus resulting in more fans which through our efforts keep incresing at a decent rate.then you tell me 2 forget ’bout reading manga online and buy manga !FROM WHERE???I LIVE IN AFRICA FOR PETE’S SAKE!or buy it online!HEY,AM JUST A KID!i have no money,if it were 2 b at a reasonable price,den fine,i dont know how 2 do the buying online thing or how i’ll even get it 2 my country.but fine,ok.i’ll do it..-somehow.but just look at the price.its too expensive..and am sure your tired of hearing this,but..I am from and LIVE IN AFRICA!though a few dollars may be no big deal 4 u…over here,it’s like a million bucks.i’ll hate 2 stop reading bleach as i love it so….but if it comes 2 the worst and i have 2…then i will…however,keep in mind that in the end,we both loose-i have 2 kill and let go of bleach which i love and has taught me a lot(mostly through ichigo and his friends)which is overly sad.but you greedy goons who are not at all grateful 2 the fans who brought you this far will loose a chunk of your fans.without us…keep in mind that YOU’RE GOING DOWN!

August 25, 2010 at 10:10 am
(85) kuki says:

please keep in mind that there are the underdeveloped countries or whatever new name you call it now 2 begin with.we are poor people.infact,it is due 2 this that ‘piracy’ here is overlooked.infact,it is more or less the way of doing thingsand it is overlooked because most of us are so poor anyways theres not many who can afford internet,thus anime….of course the very,very rich ones can afford to buy whatever they want 2 watch…..but if it is anime,then forget it..i go 2 shops and ask for it and they just look at me waiting 2 hear what i want or to expain futhur.they have no idea what it is..few people do and appreciate the essence of it-the rest just think of it as a piece of crap-who can blame them?they are hungry and have no time for such unnecessities if it isnt food clothing water or a bit of money 2 live 2 see tommorow then its a waste of time.the only way i can get 2 read anime is online 4 free-this may sound selfish but,thats the way it is here and so i have no idea why this is affecting us.i dont have that kind of money 2 be buying manga!do u know what dat kind of money can do 4 some1??in the end we both loose-you loose a chunk of your fans-thus leading 2 low income,and we loose an aspect of our lives that brings us joy.-but not 2 worry i can always find another hobby,maybe i should heed 2 my friends advice 2 take up knitting…u on the other hand..r u going 2 get another job?think of it you have much more 2 loose than us.in the end u loose alot of fans and income and we just find other interests.

August 25, 2010 at 10:14 am
(86) kuki says:

why is the only language i speak english!i should have continued wiv my dream 2 learn japenese in addition 2 french!

August 30, 2010 at 1:18 am
(87) BruceMcF says:

@random 7 : the scanlations are not going away as the scanlations sites one by one take down the manga … but the free bootlegs will stop being the easiest way to find it. Those who are determined to get it will still be able to find it, but it may be more of a hassle.

Its not like OneManga or MangaFox were in the business of making manga available in low income countries: if they region blocked North America and Europe and Australia/NZ, then the North American and Japanese publishers would not bother with them. But then, there goes the profits from selling advertising, since its the US market that they are targeting.

September 20, 2010 at 6:34 am
(88) anonymous says:

what the hell are you saying
what about the people living in SEA (South East Asia)
particularly Phillpines
they can’t publish manga or it’s a waste of money to travel to us or japan just to buy those irresistible manga…
that is the only things i can say
please let them have there own scanlations

October 9, 2010 at 5:23 pm
(89) Mangagirl says:

I started reading scans when I could not buy the “dropped” US manga. I have always supported buying the US licensed copies, but when you wait two years and hear they aren’t going to publish the rest…It is as if J.K. Rollings saying something like “sorry folks I just think we should stop after the fifth book and if you want to read the rest you must fly to Britain” (At least if that was the case I don’t have to take classes to try to understand the language). I am trying the cutting out of the middle mad approach and learning the language but yeah it doesn’t happen over night. Besides that there is just more options in Korean and Japanese for them to publish any interest niche, where as here (in the US) companies have to go for the target markets.

December 8, 2010 at 1:09 am
(90) MangaLover says:

The thing is, “official” english translations are much MUCH worse than scanalation site translations.
Or maybe, it’s that the scanalation translations are better.
Manga would quickly lose it’s value internationally if allowed to be “officially” translated. Also, there are tons of manga that are never even published or even heard of overseas that are really well done. The only way to get access to these manga are with scanalation groups. There are so many more points I would like to add…

December 12, 2010 at 11:33 pm
(91) Proud American says:

i live out in the boondocks so none of my favorite manga gets here and if theey are seriously considering to take manga away whats to say they wont stop being are allies i used to have a buddy of mine who was a us marine buy my favorite manga in japan and ship it tto the us but seeing how we are at war and he was killed recently i have no way to know way to getting updated manga except the internet or i would contune to purches the manga through him as he would translate it for me may god rest his soul please remember that this all hangs on none of us being able to truely translate Japanese without a middle man and if the scanulaters made a price on their site to veiw the manga then people who can bearly afford the price will stop their intrest in manga and then other countrys would do the same its like a thrift store of sorts i can go into one and take a book off the shelfs and not have to pay a dime or how people just throw away books that preatty much what happens to old manga and then people forget how great it was like robotech they would not have been able to do that new movei in 2007 if it wasnt for anime sites getting people intrested and wanting to buy the movies and what not. so please japan please dont take manga off the web and if u do please replace it with something that is reasonable to do like mybe pay to kids who are doing the scans and buying the rights to the website and then charging the fans but not alot cause u have to remember that if u charge to much it will drop the sale prices. and u also have to remember that this isnt on paper so it should costg less

July 21, 2011 at 8:15 pm
(92) akio says:

i some times read manga online because it saves money but!if you just go online and read manga for free that make the publishing companies not make money and if the companies do not have enough money then how are us manga artists going to make money and if the manga artists dont make money than they will stop making money and that means they will stop making that manga so all th sites will be closed.

September 14, 2011 at 9:33 am
(93) HAJIWEE says:

SOMEthing just occurred to me. i reckon that every single person who buys the legal published manga also reads online scanlations because the legal published manga is so slow example one piece is more than 3 volumes behind the weekly shonen jump releases. if the legal published manga was at the same pace as the weekly shonen jump it would render online scanlations useless. if they had a english version of WSJ thats weekly released and not the one that exists now with all the articles and stuff that i dont read i would buy it even if i only read one piece naruto and bleach and ignore the rest [which i will not since it's a waste of money if i did that]. Why do manga fans even buy the volumes? i highly doubt that it’s to catch up to the latest release the most important reason i guess would be to collect them and fill a whole room with manga and read them over and over again. so if publishers were to increase the quality of the scans and speed of the releases so that it could match up to the scanlations which is totally possible [if the fans can do it why can big publishers can't] plus it’s black and white most of the times and they manage to print newspaper everyday how hard could it be to translate and print a english version of WSJ once a week.

February 24, 2012 at 4:53 pm
(94) Hi says:

I hate the fact I can’t buy a Japan manga in store because they don’t sell it no more. I can’t order manga. I don’t have the card for it and the company don’t send it, it is the a person who send it. I don’t trust them I had a anime dvd it look used no new.

March 11, 2012 at 7:04 pm
(95) Sam says:

Scanlations were around way before any “official” translations of manga existed. If not for the scanlators and their mostly high-quality, professional work that is often more accurate and better than so called “official” translations,

then manga would not have got to english in the first place! Or at least not for many years longer!

The vast majority of scanlation groups will drop a project and cease distributing it if a series is licensed. And many more will tell you, that regardless of the scanlation, that you should buy the books too to support the authors

In fact because of scanlations, I now have 4 floor to ceiling bookshelves filled with japanese manga. lots have been licensed and I bought some of those too.

If i hadn’t seen and read the scanlations I would never have bought them. I would never have even looked at them if the groups i follow didn’t announce them and talk about them.

Because of scanlation groups, manga that never got the english release, that was japanese only, it now has an international fanbase and many of them will buy a japanese copy and tell their friends and increase that fanbase

also, there is a growing number of non-english translations. like spanish, russian, polish, so on… most manga are lucky to get an english release, let alone into any other language.

July 17, 2012 at 11:17 am
(96) Haylee says:

Those of you who say the manga industry has no right to take down manga scanlators are extremely ignorant for thinking that. The manga industry owns every single title you can think of, so they should be the ones making profit off it. They didn’t make these titles to have someone steal them and put them up on the internet so they couldn’t get a single dime.
And do any of you realize how much work and love was poured into each and every page that you’re reading? If you love that writers work support them and buy a copy. Those writers are living human beings that are doing their best to please their audience. If you love their work support them. One day I hope Scanlation will be completely wiped out. If not, I hope the manga industry at least can work with scanlators by having the sites visitors pay for each manga they read.

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